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Parliamentary enquiry into trans equality issues - call for evidence

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ArcheryAnnie · 04/08/2015 13:12

The Women And Equalities Select Committee in the Commons has launched an inquiry into "how far, and in what ways, trans people still have yet to achieve full equality; and how the outstanding issues can most effectively be addressed."

Terms here:

www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/women-and-equalities-committee/news-parliament-2015/inquiry-into-transgender-equality/

(I know a couple of gender-critical trans women who are thinking of making submissions - basically along the line of "we want rights, sure, but not ones that explicitly shit all over women".)

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WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 04/08/2015 20:59

Oh or girls, on the hate-crime thing.

You could give a 12yo girl the most vile torrent of abuse using words explicitly related to her sex and that's not a problem I think, as it stands. Certainly I've had loads of men say / do stuff to me because I'm female and there are loads of words that are used specifically against females but this is not a problem in law at the moment.

Actually that's pissed me off now, I might start a thread about it some time!

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 04/08/2015 20:57

It's a comprehensive list isn't it.

I don't know whether changing any laws or anything from that list might have positive impacts in terms of funding for stuff. What the actual effect is IYSWIM.

I think the idea of "we want rights, sure, but not ones that explicitly shit all over women" is great Grin and also if given rates of suicide / mental health issues and so forth which are reportedly very high, something positive could be done in that direction to help people.

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 04/08/2015 20:50

Just having a read of the parliament thingy and saw that they want submissions about hate crimes and it reminded me, that I don't think that sex is something that can be used when saying something is a hate crime, so I checked:

"Crimes committed against someone because of their disability, gender-identity, race, religion or belief, or sexual orientation are hate crimes and should be reported to the police."

Women are frequently attacked, assaulted, verbally abused etc & so forth because they are women, but this is not considered a hate crime.

Why it's not is I guess interesting but a topic for another conversation.

Anyway, just an observation there.

HedgehogAtHome · 04/08/2015 20:47

But surely the reason why trans people are discriminated against is because they present as the so called "lesser gender" and therefore the equal rights of women need to be addressed before anything can be done re "Trans" rights.

While we have male bodied people, using their male privilege to push the idea of 'female brain' and gender 'differences' we have no chance.

Sansarya · 04/08/2015 20:44

I think there's quite a few posters on that thread who have no idea what male privilege really is.

sheoneill · 04/08/2015 14:48

I've just become more interested in Gender Critical thinking. Following various posts on MN and checking out various blogs, etc.

I do believe that, obviously, equality is important whether you present in a feminine way or not.

But surely the reason why trans people are discriminated against is because they present as the so called "lesser gender" and therefore the equal rights of women need to be addressed before anything can be done re "Trans" rights. If people see women as part of a meritocracy and less about how they present (feminine or not) then trans rights will sort itself out from that.

Interestingly, I've just finished reading a discussion by Trans people on how they view Male Privilege, some don't even believe that such a thing exists.
Here is a link if anyone is interested:
www.crossdressers.com/forums/showthread.php?230266-What-are-your-thoughts-on-male-privilege

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