I don't identify as a feminist - so why does this get on my nerves?

Transgender people go through much worse than biological women in general

See I just don't accept that to be true

I'm not saying being trans is easy but no I don't think gender dysphoria is necessarily worse than (if you want to compare it to western women's issues rather than global issues such as underage marriage, fgm and rape as a tool of war) societal pressures to conform to feminine gender roles, body shaming women who don't meet beauty standards, discrimination in the workplace based on reproductive potential, sexual harassment and assault due to being female, poorer career opportunities due to being female, lower pay for the same work, I could go on.
Gender dysphoria is a condition that affects people psychologically and must be very difficult to live with. But so is post natal depression, anorexia, and body dysmorphia, all of which are either exclusively or mainly female conditions. There is nothing in my mind that makes gender dysphoria a worse situation than being female in any society.

Well actually I have always felt that I should have been a cat or a bird but guess what, I'm not! I am a human female and no amount of parading around dressed as a cat is going to change that!

Transgender people go through much worse than biological women in general (excluding certain parts of the world).

Imagine going through life desperately feeling like you don't belong in your own body, only to have people mock, ridicule and bully you and to totally dismiss your problem as a 'mental illness' when you finally address the problem.

I am a biological woman who was born a woman in the UK and I feel very lucky to be in that position. Transwomen are much less fortunate than I am.

Kellie Maloney also homophobic don't forget which caused her immense confusion when someone pointed out that she is a lesbian now. IIRC I don't follow sleb stuff much but I seem to remember that happened on bir bro?

Is this the same old "well men attacking their female partners is often excusable because of XYZ excuses and anyway she probably goaded him or something" stuff?

Wasn't going to post on this thread (although an interesting read) but that comment seems off, maybe it meant something else? Lou?

The definition of po faced is 'humourless and disapproving' so yes, I don't find humour in domestic violence and I am disapproving of it. It's a fair cop.

I said I know nothing else about Frank/Kelly, so wouldn't know in what ways she would be influential. I had no need to read further, just as I don't research every newspaper article I happen across. I don't wish anybody ill, but frankly I think we could throw our net a little wider looking for powerful, influential women than those who, in their former positions of male privilege, acted selfishly and damagingly to the women around them, just because they happen to be current tabloid fodder.

Kellie (as Frank) was successful in a field he probably would never have got into had he been a woman, a role in a field that is not widely accessible to women; I'm guessing his career success and notability is the reason people are interested in his story now, similar to Bruce.

If it was Kellie Maloney it could have been all about the racism, is that what you mean? Or what?

Lou, judging someone for part- strangling their spouse is Po faced?

It is sad that that is all you know, Sootgremlin.

A little bit more information and you would know the factors that led to it, what came after it, and, maybe, why your po-faced response is somewhat lacking!

Yes lazyloulou we would have been focussing on someone who nearly strangled his ex-wife because of his gender frustration making a list of influential women, but that's the only thing I've read about Kellie Maloney.

If only they had chosen Kellie Maloney instead..... this would be an entirely different conversation!

Sophie, I think Kim is Jenner's stepdaughter, not daughter. Though I believe Jenner's marriage to Kim's mother is now over.

I could be wrong though, I'm not good at sleb stuff!

'It's insulting to think that that is what he's suggesting a 'woman' is - a glammed up person posing in their underwear.'

Exactly Sophie. Its such a hackneyed, fantasy version of what a woman is i.e. all about how you look.

Sophie, exactly. It rather proves the autogynephiliac points lots of people on these threads make.

Meant to add that it's a false choice anyway, seeing as Hilary Clinton and Sheryl Sandberg aren't on it, or many, many other influential women.

Caitlyn Jenner became famous as a man. Bruce Jenner used his white penis as a way to obtain superior sports funding and recognition in his field.

Caitlyn Jenner simply appeared on the front cover of a magazine with unfeasibly pert tits for someone in their 60s.

Male privilege let her leap frog over other, worthier woman, and we should call bullshit.

Well, I'm not a fan of Kim K, but she owns an IPad app that made 43 million dollars in three months, just from a quick google. She's a mother who supports her child financially and is a woman so would have my vote over Caitlyn.

Yes Sophie, Caitlyn is still in full possession of their meat & two veg. But actual women are now apparently expected to blindly accept that the penis can be a female organ (see my pp).

Lurcio, thanks for linking to the Forbes List - that's fascinating and much more like it! Some very inspiring women there

Even if WH were lookign at Influencers, it's still titled 'Power List'