I don't identify as a feminist - so why does this get on my nerves?

Yup. It's a really unprofessional reply, but as it's quoting Sarah Vine, I assume she's said the same publically!

It's so condescending and it would have been so easy to rewrite it in neutral terms.

"Initially... many of us felt Kim Kardashian merited consideration for inclusion given Ms Kardashian's influence on millions of women worldwide is undeniable."

Isn't it poor form generally to gossip about candidates for anything who fail to make the short list?

It's very strange that condescending remark came from a Daily Mail columnist; don't the DM get about 200 column inches a month out of Kim K?!

Slightly different to rifling her drawers and trying on used ones.

Odd that the first time he tried on her grots they were a fresh, clean, unworn delivery. What are the chances, eh?

It's still crossing Kim's boundaries though noblegiraffe.

Yes you are right that is possibly more creepy oddfodd.

I looked up the underwear story. Apparently Kim was expecting a delivery of lingerie but it didn't show up. The maid showed her that it was in Bruce's wardrobe.

Slightly different to rifling her drawers and trying on used ones.

He's not Kim's father, he's her step-father, even more creepily

Oh god really Apocalypse? I missed that. That is beyond fucking creepy.

Apparently, yeah. He'd borrow (she probably has all new as of this revelation) Kim's unders to better appreciate his feminine side.

I can't decide whether it's more scummy or creepy?

many of us felt that Kim Kardashian would have to appear somewhere - not because any of us felt any particular admiration for the woman

"the woman" should be replaced with "Ms Kardashian" in a formal letter. Using the title avoids an odd repetition of her name in full (which is why titles are actually useful). "Her" is also rude. Well the whole sentence is actually rude but it could at least have followed a proper format.

And yy Lurcio.

Oh god really Apocalypse? I missed that. That is beyond fucking creepy.

Agree entirely Lurcio - it's really sneery.

That's made me even crosser than I was. Good work WH

Does anyone else read that as the most revolting piece of class prejudice? In my mind it comes out with the following gloss: "We really felt we had to throw some sort of sop to the proles, much as it pained us to do so, because we're members of the intelligensia, doncher know, and so above all that sort of thing, and furthermore, we really don't like that sort of woman. But then Caitlyn Jenner conveniently arrived on the scene, and we were able to appeal to the proles and tick the 'more liberal than thou' box all at the same time, job done! Thank god we managed to dodge a bullet there."

Her father in her scanties.

"the woman" is very dehumanising. And the whole sentence is very dismissive of her, who as someone upthread has said, has longevity. Also don't you think there is something slightly creepy in replacing her with her father on the list?

Jeez, I bet they're kicking themselves that they made the list before Rihanna made her 'influential' video now!

innocent not just you, it does sound very rude and makes it sound like they never wanted KK on that list.

I haven't listened to much WH in the last month or so but from the show notes there had been lots of discussion about including KK.

I don't see what Jenner has done that is influential, transitioning in amongst all the publicity wasn't done with the aim of highlighting trans issues or for selfless reasons, it was done for personal reasons and from what I've read, the timing was carefully planned, not that that is wrong, Jenner isn't unusual in doing what is best for them for their own happiness, which is why I don't understand the inclusion in WH list, when many other women in the media are slated for living their lives to suit themselves and making choices that is best for them, Kim Kardashian included.

she is a human being like the rest of us and should not be denied the same rights

And do we all, of whatever sex and regardless of what we have or haven't done for, or to, women, deserve a place on the Woman's Hour Power List?

I hate that email. 'We were thinking about women, and then a man wore a dress and we felt that that 'trumped' all the rest' .

Yes Yonic, KK would have been an entirely appropriate inclusion, whatever one thinks of her.

Ugh. Looks like including Jenner got them out of including Kim Kardashian, who their snobbery didn't want them to include. Say what you like about Kim, like Katie Price before her, she's made a lot of money from her personal "brand" and has a fair deal of longevity as a celeb.

Plus she's never caused anyone's death, of course.