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Jurassic World. Sexist? (spoilers)

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PiperAndAlex · 20/06/2015 19:45

I haven't seen the movie but I want to. I've seen quite a lot of reports that it is sexist.

The lead (Claire?) is portrayed as quite a cold stiff career woman who has no maternal instincts.

She saves her nephews life by shooting a dinosaur yet they only want to stay with her because they feel safe with her boyfriend.

She wears her heels throughout the movie.

Also the most gruesome death was that of a female - yet she didn't actually do anything to deserve that death.

If you look back at Jurassic Park with Ellie she was volunteered to turn the power on when John Hammond says it really should be him because hes a man, she just rolls her eyes.

And that was 20 years ago! Seems like this film is a step back.

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LassUnparalleled · 20/06/2015 21:54

*Yes she does it all in heels. However it is mentioned as not being ideal I think she
I saw it last week. The high heels seemed to me to be supposed to be a joke sort of like the song "In these shoes ? I don't think so" and as it turned she coped perfectly well in them.

I enjoyed it. Claire and Chris worked well as a team. I don't think it was a case of big man saves the day with little woman tagging behind.

BaggageClaim · 20/06/2015 21:38

Thank you Piper. I must have blinked at that point and missed it. I had really hoped she had swum to the edge and got out!

thatstoast · 20/06/2015 21:26

Joss Whedon caused a twitter storm by commenting on the dated stereotypes. Admittedly, it's not difficult to cause a twitter storm.

There are some parts that did get my feminism senses tingling. Zara's treatment is the big one because she barely got a line but her death was gratuitous. Although DH thinks it was in there to remind the audience of the big underwater dinosaur which is important in the final scenes. I think the film is a little bit 'plot by numbers' so that seems plausible.

I have weird issues with Claire. I can't imagine a successful male character being constantly heckled because he doesn't know how old his nephews are etc. Nobody in the movie seems to acknowledge that she's running a multi million dollar business and has also got the guts to unleash a T-Rex (in heels). I should be coming away from the movie thinking "Wow, Claire is amazing. I want to be more like Claire." but I didn't because no other characters show any respect for her. It probably doesn't help that I don't think the two leads had any chemistry.

Willdoitinaminute · 20/06/2015 21:20

The heals annoyed me but not my 10 yr old DS. He was oblivious to her shoes. It is essentially aimed at dinosaur mad preteen boys and girls and of course anyone who has ever been a preteen dinosaur mad girl or boy.
Since most preteen girls or boys have no experience of heels they wouldn't see it as a problem.
In fact, since she seemed to run unencumbered by said stilletoes and at no point does she remove them, modify or even moan about them I suspect they were meant to be a symbol of women's superiority to man. In other words men could never do all that in stilletoes!

TensionWheelsCoolHeels · 20/06/2015 21:11

I think the film starts as though it's the same old stereotype of male lead/uptight woman in heels needing to be rescued but they do twist that & it is clear Claire is no push over/doesn't need rescued & in fact saves both Owen & then all of them by releasing big Trex to get other big D. But somehow it still feels sexist & I can't put my finger on why. The adjusting of the outfit was maybe the tipping point for me & the heels too.

PiperAndAlex · 20/06/2015 21:03

This is why I thought Ellie was so great -

When the park's power fails to come back on as expected, she doesn't sit in the emergency bunker waiting for rescue. She makes a plan and grabs a walkie-talkie, heading out to find the power switch.

"I should really be the one going," mutters park owner John Hammond before she sprints off.

"Why?" says Dr. Sattler.

"Well, because you're a... and I'm a..." stutters Hamond.

"Look," she says, "We can discuss 'sexism in survival situations' when I get back."

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PiperAndAlex · 20/06/2015 20:59

Baggage you can see her arm is circled in this photo. She was definitely eaten.

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WixingMords · 20/06/2015 20:58

Though DH actually said about her drawn out death that he thought it was because she was British! (Though he did say this to mess with me because I'm British and he's not)

HermioneWeasley · 20/06/2015 20:57

almond thanks for clarifying re heels.

I said in another thread I was dying for a "romancing the stone" moment where they cut the bloody heels off her shoes.

I also thought it was out of order for her sister to be pissed off that she was working!

Yes, it was sexist (particularly the idea that all she needed was a good shag to lighten up), but I still bloody loved it!

WixingMords · 20/06/2015 20:55

I'm pretty certain Zara was eaten.

BaggageClaim · 20/06/2015 20:52

The heels were a huge distraction for me. I was screaming in my head at her to kick them off then cheering when she ran in them.

I also didn't think the other lady was definitely killed. I thought she may have swum away. But my children said she was eaten. I didn't see that.

almondcakes · 20/06/2015 20:49

I meant Claire was wearing the heels, not the trex.

PiperAndAlex · 20/06/2015 20:48

RaskolnikovsGarret

Smile thank you

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almondcakes · 20/06/2015 20:48

It was actually Claire that saved them all, wasn't it?

She released the trex and got it to chase after her in the heels so that it would attack that hybrid beast that was attempting to kill Chris Pine and the teenagers.

It was defeated. The end.

PiperAndAlex · 20/06/2015 20:47

Yes, the kids wanted to stay with the boyfriend, he knew what he was doing! What is wrong with that? Not because he was a man but because he proved himself to them

But hadn't she just saved their life? Surely she proved herself there.

Did she actually die? We all discussed it afterwards and couldn't work out if she fell in the water and maybe got away or was eaten.

She was eaten.

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Lweji · 20/06/2015 20:44

I mean it to go and watch it tomorrow, but I'd find the lack of female characters more sexist.

RaskolnikovsGarret · 20/06/2015 20:41

And I'm glad you started the thread OP, I've been wanting to vent my annoyance somewhere!

RaskolnikovsGarret · 20/06/2015 20:40

I thought it was incredibly sexist, big tough man saves the day etc, and woman toddles behind in high heels. The female lead in the first one was far better and much more equal to the main lead. Definitely a step back.

scallopsrgreat · 20/06/2015 20:39

The person commenting on this thread and criticising doesn't have a name I've seen in FWR, before Piper. Maybe not make those assumptions please? And judging by the username of that particular poster...

"Yes, the kids wanted to stay with the boyfriend, he knew what he was doing! What is wrong with that?" Yet its amazing how often its the man who "knows what they are doing". Playing to the same old tropes.

WixingMords · 20/06/2015 20:32

It passes the Bechdel test (by the skin of it's teeth)

I seen articles refuting the sexist label because the dinosaurs are female!!

I don't think it was especially sexist personally but it is in the standard movie way.

almondcakes · 20/06/2015 20:31

Did she actually die? We all discussed it afterwards and couldn't work out if she fell in the water and maybe got away or was eaten.

almondcakes · 20/06/2015 20:30

Piper, maybe the regulars on this section haven't seen the film/read about it, and that's why they are not in this thread commenting?

I don't think you're being deliberately not welcomed.

PiperAndAlex · 20/06/2015 20:29

The death - of her assistant was shocking and bizarre, it was the type of death normally associated with bad guys (or women) in the Jurassic movies, yet as you say she hadn't done anything.

Exactly. Most of the deaths (in all four films) were quick.

I've seen the death scene and it's long and it was uncomfortable to see someone suffering like that. If a death lasts so long it's almost like torture porn.

It is a death saved for assholes.

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tribpot · 20/06/2015 20:23

Claire is definitely the least interesting of the female leads in the Jurassic movies. Not quite in the league of Laura Dern, Julianne Moore or Téa Leoni. The decision (apparently her own) to wear heels throughout was completely stupid.

The death - of her assistant was shocking and bizarre, it was the type of death normally associated with bad guys (or women) in the Jurassic movies, yet as you say she hadn't done anything.

Overall the relationship between Claire and Owen was very much a re-run of the old classic uptight and out-of-depth vs laidback (cf Harrison Ford and Anne Heche in Six Days Seven Nights only they did it much better.

Was it sexist? Well, it certainly didn't seem like progress from the earlier movies.

PiperAndAlex · 20/06/2015 20:22

www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-jurassic-world-sexism-20150620-story.html#page=1

dailysignal.com/2015/06/19/jurassic-world-sexism-claims-dont-stand-up-to-scrutiny/

msmagazine.com/blog/2015/06/18/jurassic-world-is-prehistorically-sexist/

Just a couple of articles. I'm not sure why I'm being slammed for starting this thread Confused

No wonder people are scared to use this board. It's not welcoming in the slightest.

Thanks to those who discussed it without having a go.

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