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DoughDoe · 14/06/2015 01:04

So I was a bit confused about all the anti-trans posts in here. I didn't get it really. Transsexuals are victims, minorities, etc., why are you lot against them?

Now I have seen the story of Rachel Dolezal:

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who decided she was black and became a local NAACP president. When it was discovered that she wasn't, basically everyone has said she has no right to do this.

And suddenly it all makes sense to me. If we do not accept that people can make a relatively minor change from one skin pigmentation to another, and that a white person cannot become black, then we sure as hell shouldn't accept that a man with different bone, muscle, sexual organs, brain, chromosomes, and god knows what else, can POSSIBLY be a woman. And he CERTAINLY should not be participating in women's sports and other female spaces.

It's absurd, and it just makes you wonder why it is that if transracialism is so roundly rejected (no, you are not a black person, you are a white person with a bit of bronzer and an Afro), why we don't say that a transsexual is not in fact a woman, but simply a man in a dress.

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diggerdigsdogs · 14/06/2015 01:46

Elsescomplex what does being a woman feel like again? Can you describe it please?

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DoughDoe · 14/06/2015 01:38

Sorry I stopped reading that article when I got as far as 'cisgender'.

You can stick that term up an appropriate orifice.

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DoughDoe · 14/06/2015 01:37

"Apart from skin colour and, the most important element of belonging to a race is cultural heritage."

I think what you means is that skin colour is the only essential. Cultural heritage isn't crucial. If a white couple adopt a black baby at birth and raise him in Iceland (which is homogenously white), he doesn't have a 'cultural heritage', but nobody would deny that he is black.

The white woman who can't be black does have black cultural heritage in that she grew up with black (adopted) siblings and she has studied black culture. But she still is resolutely DENIED entry to blackness.

A white blonde girl growing up in inner London might have more 'black culture' than the black baby growing up in Iceland, but she still is not black, and he always will be.

Yes it's true that he might not feel belonging, if he tries to join the NAACP in later life, because of his Icelandic mannerisms or whatever, but if he moved to a black neighbourhood and lived with other black people and absorbed their culture, then he would very quickly become '100%' black.

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ElsasComplex · 14/06/2015 01:37

This is an interesting article I came across when googling here

ElsasComplex · 14/06/2015 01:27

unless, as partial mentions, the male and female brains are physically different. Then, one cannot become the other.

ElsasComplex · 14/06/2015 01:25

But surely the reasons you give are exactly why it should be considered completely differently?

Apart from skin colour and, the most important element of belonging to a race is cultural heritage. Being white with makeup or surgery is not going to give them the cultural identity needed to transition.
However, a boy growing up feeling they are a girl has obstacles that are entirely physical. These can be altered with surgery and hormonal treatment. Therefore, a man can become a woman through transition, but a white person cannot become a black person whatever they do.

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DoughDoe · 14/06/2015 01:22

That wasn't really central to the point I was making TBH.

Perhaps best to stick to obvious physical attributes in view of the black skin vs white skin analogy.

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partialderivative · 14/06/2015 01:19

So you accept that male and female brains are different?