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Domestic Violence - Far from gender neutral

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scallopsrgreat · 11/06/2015 16:57

Domestic abuse could not be further from gender neutral. Wake up Britain

Yep so those MRAs are gaslighting us. Just in case you had any doubt.

I've just skim read it and it doesn't seem to link to the research which I'd be interested to read.

"This is due to a 'cap' on the number of crimes recorded, which stops counting after five repeat incidents against one victim. When this cap is removed, she said, violence against women by intimate partners rises by 70 per cent and violence against women by acquaintances by 100 per cent. It particularly affects those women who know, or even live with, the perpetrator. " Pretty shocking.

"...the Crime Survey of England and Wales (CSEW) doesn't account for a significant proportion of attacks on women (and that nearly half of all violent crime is committed against women)."

It also links to another article about the same thing: Million violent crimes a year 'cut out' of official figures

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YonicScrewdriver · 11/06/2015 20:23

The article is by the CEO of Women's Aid and mentions Respect, aimed at male victims.

If an article had been written by the CEO of Respect, I would expect a similar lev of mention of Women's Aid, TBH.

Surely it is a good thing if the ONS is properly collecting data on repeat attacks?

QueenStromba · 11/06/2015 20:18

It makes it different as it's not part of a whole system of violence and oppression.

Mide7 · 11/06/2015 20:00

So does that make abuse by the oppressed sex class towards the dominant sex class not as bad?

And I understand it's the majority of abuse but doesn't mean it doesn't happen

QueenStromba · 11/06/2015 19:51

It matters who's doing the abusing when the majority of the abuse is by the dominant sex class against the oppressed sex class and that is part of a systemic pattern of violence.

Mide7 · 11/06/2015 19:46

Does it matter who's doing the abusing? Dv is wrong whatever the persons sex is. Yes one is more frequent and severe than the other but doesn't mean it should have 100% of the focus.

YonicScrewdriver · 11/06/2015 19:41

Bear, I don't think Flora was referring to you.

TheXxed · 11/06/2015 19:32

dancing Bear you don't understand the feminist position.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 11/06/2015 19:30

Of course the MRAs are gaslighting us, Scallops. They want the world to believe that DV is sex neutral, when every piece of reputable research shows that it isn't. The cap on how many incidents that are counted for the CSEW at 5 is utterly ridiculous. It skews figures. It makes a mockery of everything we know about DV.

thedancingbear · 11/06/2015 19:05

FloraFox I hope you are not suggesting that I am an MRA. I think it's clear enough from my other posts on this site that I don't fall into that category. I would hate for you to be seen to be closing down debate by using that label.

I'd also note that nowhere have I suggested there is an equivalence with regard to incidence, quite the opposite - domestic violence against women is more frequent and more severe than against men

FloraFox · 11/06/2015 19:02

Thanks scallops that's good information. MRAs are always trying to claim there is some sort of equivalence between the rates of male violence and female violence when it's completely untrue.

thedancingbear · 11/06/2015 18:18

To be fair, this is hardly a neutral study. And whilst I don't doubt that domestic violence against women is more frequent and more severe than against men, it boils my piss when people try to minimise the latter.

I completely appreciate that the feminist position is that violence against men is not its problem. But I don't see why it then needs to explain away and belittle the experiences of abused men. I don't see it as an either/or; by all means, petition for better funding for women's aid and I will support that endeavour. But for cripes' sake, it doesn't need to be at the expense of others in comparable situations - people already see female-on-male violence as a joke subject.

I should declare an interest here - my brother was in long-term relationship in which he was physically abused by his female partner (including having a plugged-in iron chucked at him - the cable stopped it from reaching him). So this is a subject that gets my goat, as you can probably tell.