Domestic Violence - Far from gender neutral

waves back.

One of the most shocking things to me has been that the incidence of intergenerational violence perpetrated by men has risen. It seems that sons and grandsons are killing their female relatives, often after years of abuse, in greater numbers.

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Here is a link to the research briefing (pdf)

eprints.lancs.ac.uk/72272/4/Violence_Society_Research_briefing_1.pdf

ypnic yy I thought that as soon as I posted. hoppy there was some info upthread. There is also some in Lundy Bancroft.

I think the order goes male on female dv, male on male dv, female on male dv, female on female dv. (Absolute not proportional).

Further skewed by the fact that despite undoubted verifiable cases of female on male dv, a lot of which like m on f dv goes unreported there is also a high degree of 'false' reporting of f on m dv in rs where the man is in fact the aggressor.
That is, there is the f on m dv which actually occurs and then there is the f on m dv which is reported. The two are not the same thing. And it isn't that the reported acts are the tip of an iceberg as in reporting of sexual.violence, it is more complicated than that. False reports of f on m dv can be a part of m on f dv. Which of course makes life much harder for the genuine victims of dv of both genders

Just noticed all the typos. Sorry.

TBH mink I suspect the biggest determining factor is whether the trans man or transwoman is in a relationship with a man or woman (or trans man or trans woman). I do not know the proportions.

AKA - look at the perp not the victim.

Is there any info on perpetual of domestic violin (rather than victims). The line that men are as likely to be victims (though not true) is often conflated with women being the violent partner. But I often wonder what the rates of domestic violence in same sex relationships between men are? So when men are the victims, what is the split between male and female aggressor?

I would have suspected that the rates for trans might actually be on a par with the rates for women, proportionally, because of the correlation between (perceived) social standing (thats maybe not the word i mean)and dv but will readily admit that is instinct not fact. Absolute numbers, I'd suspect the numbers for men would be higher.

It's quite possible men suffer partner violence (from male or female) partners at similar or higher rates to trans, particularly if the discussion is around absolute numbers not proportional rates.

Yes I read up about it (brought into law to prevent killings at birth). However, it looks like convictions are pretty rare (time of gestation and the need for clear intent to kill the child) which is why we rarely hear about it but this case looks so clear cut surely it will stick.

rufus in that order. Depressing but that is the order that list is normally said men and women and children, never women and men. (Although it is ladies and gentlemen).

But surely in this case it should be in the order it happens which is probably women, children, trans, men.

It predates the abortion act, mink

• law from 1929 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_destruction

Just read an article in the DM (sorry)

Canadian transgender YouTube star has released a video about domestic violence

The stats quoted are one in four women and two in five men, I thought it was interesting that a quote says domestic violence affects "men, women, transgender and children" in that order

I think I can see what you mean mink - the baby will be seen as an innocent (rightly) but there will be those who will do their best to find a reason to blame the woman (she's a young mother, apparently single and black - all blameworthy things for some arseholes) and it's fucking appalling. This is just such a sickening thing for a man to do to a woman.

Many abusive men still think they own their exes. I wasn't suggesting she had been unfaithful just that that was probably be part of the twisted perception.

But yes he has been separately charged with a crime against the woman (i think gbh but not sure). But I stand corrected I didn't know the charge of child destruction existed (is that recent?) It thought it used to be, up until the child was born, it had no rights in law to be considered as separate from the mother so any harm was considered to be against her (I am convinced there were previous cases where this was the case) but I stand corrected.

Assuming of course, it was her ex, I don't see this hoing at all well for him. Surely there cannit be many people eho will be anything other than totally disgusted with him. There is a line that most people won't cross.

I am so pissed off that I was correct about this.

As a good friend said, why can I see that this is part of a pattern, and yet the police can't?

ifyourehoppy the courts will view it as an attack against the woman. They will take into account the pregnancy but will convict (hopefully) based on the injury to the woman.

It really, really is shocking though that anyone could have such an attitude of ownership and entitlement over another person that they could even contemplate such a thing.

Horrible though it is, I suspect there will be a perceived 'fidelity' aspect to this. That is the perpetrators will have 'justified' this to themselves as deserved because either they think she had an OM or that she is the OW. I would emphasise that nothing but nothing justifies it. I just reckon that will be their warped thinking that this is a punishment.

If she hadn't have been pregnant it would probably not have even made it into the local newspaper.

Domestic Abuse is a leading cause of pregnancy loss and miscarriage (according to Womensaid), so it isn't just a one off. It's so incredibly awful, I don't really know what to say, that poor woman.

On a side note, a lot of the reporting I have seen this morning has been on the lines of; 'unborn baby murdered, crime against a baby, how cruel to hurt a baby like that'. With less emphasis on this as a crime against a woman, an attack on her body. But then, men attacking women isn't news?

Innocent it is almost certain the purpose of the attack was go kill the baby. The ambulance didn't arrive after an hour so the police took the victim to the hospital.