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Segregation of Female Scientists!

90 replies

Sheitgeist · 10/06/2015 12:10

Started a thread in Chat about this, but no one's noticed.

The Nobel Laureate Tim Hunt has made some ridiculous comments about female scientists:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/10/nobel-scientist-tim-hunt-female-scientists-cause-trouble-for-men-in-labs

He's apologised for causing offence, but says he still means it!

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GGabcd · 13/06/2015 22:28

If I may jump in?

Now he's saying he was pushed out for a joke.

Well, if you don't want to be pushed out for a misogynistic, sexist joke, don't make a misogynistic, sexist joke.

Seems obvious to me, really.

YonicScrewdriver · 13/06/2015 20:48

Apart from the fact I'd be worried by any person who found all their colleagues of the opposite sex attractive..?

Sometimes people fancy people. Sometimes those people work together. Sometimes that leads to dates, love, marriage and babies , or a subset of those things.

Your DP is very right to say that no one group should ask another to leave, though!

Moobaloo · 13/06/2015 20:33

Help me explain this to my dp, he says men do find find women distracting at work but that the men would be wrong to ask women to leave because of it. Simple explanation for dim man please?

NotCitrus · 12/06/2015 19:38

He was a good lecturer, shame about the personality.

I don't know if molecular biology is particularly bad, but all the sitting for hours in small dark locakable rooms at all hours with great excuses for having to work late really doesn't help. I haven't encountered such horrendous stories of harassment anywhere else I've worked before or after.

tribpot · 12/06/2015 16:59

Yes, the tweets are hilarious - been making me laugh all day.

ErrolTheDragon · 12/06/2015 15:59

I'm not au fait with the Literature laureats but I'd be willing to bet some of their work includes overt sexism.

Of course, we expect higher standards of scientists!

catsrus · 12/06/2015 15:58

I'm very much enjoying the #distractinglysexy tweets today Grin. We female scientists are a resourceful bunch!

cadno · 12/06/2015 15:51

Yeah - but the Peace prize does seem to be in a category all of its own - there was Kissinger and Arafat to name but two more.

QueenStromba · 12/06/2015 15:08

I believe that Nelson Mandela also had a spot of trouble with the law.

ErrolTheDragon · 12/06/2015 14:46

As to criminality and Nobels - when it comes to the Peace prize there's quite a few laureats who are war criminals in some people's eyes.

The peace prize was awarded to one convicted criminal, Carl von Ossietzky, which I guess shows that there shouldn't be a rule against it.

ErrolTheDragon · 12/06/2015 14:33

Oooh, I haven't waded through antiquated Fortran code for a long time. It's pretty much the software equivalent of mud-wrestling, isn't it?

I've just twigged why my company is so happy to have me work from home! Grin

LurcioAgain · 12/06/2015 12:06

I'm so tempted to go round my workplace (loads of fellow female scientists) and greet my mates by saying "you're looking distractingly sexy today..." (Obviously only the ones who'd get the joke).

I am of course looking distractinglysexy as I wade through lines of antiquated fortran code... but then at nearly 50, with wrinkles, wobbly bits and grey hairs, I have a head start on this one!

MonstrousRatbag · 12/06/2015 12:02

Unforeseen bonus of all this: the women scientists in all the #distractinglysexy memes and tweets is making visible a lot of women in science, from historical heroines to present-day scientists, and it's great.

YonicScrewdriver · 12/06/2015 11:50

Mmm hmm, cadno. Indicated by the question mark and the use of the word "think". Ain't language great?

cadno · 12/06/2015 11:45

Yonic - oh I see, you don't actually know if there have been any such cases - yours was more of a supposition ?

Gina111 · 12/06/2015 11:33

A thoughtful piece on the more pervasive, subtle sexism bubbling below Tim Hunt's overt bias www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/06/tim-hunt-resignation-science-sexism/395642/?utm_source=SFTwitter

ErrolTheDragon · 12/06/2015 09:11

Watson still has his Nobel, and they are retained if a scientist subsequently goes off the rails scientifically - thinking of Linus Pauling.

YonicScrewdriver · 12/06/2015 09:10

I dunno, cadno. Google is at your disposal, though.

cadno · 12/06/2015 09:02

Yonic Kinda begs the question, have there been any ?....maybe some with road traffic offences ? Also, as in much in life, in order to be fair and just, one needs to take the facts of a case one at a time.

YonicScrewdriver · 12/06/2015 08:35

I don't think they even take Nobel prizes away for convicted criminals, do they?

Gina111 · 12/06/2015 08:34

And I'm not sure Errol - if he has such a blind spot and overt bias in this area, it's possible his thinking is similar in other areas.

Gina111 · 12/06/2015 00:49

"They fall in love with you, you fall in love with them"

This is his "trouble with girls" and somehow not a woman's problem that male scientists fall in love with them? (whilst thinking of them as girls)

And what a strange mind set "when you criticize them they cry" - is this his expectation or is it real from his sexist handling of feedback.

And how can a scientist talk about an enormously diverse group as as "them".

A scientist.... oh the irony.

YonicScrewdriver · 12/06/2015 00:30

I agree, Errol.

DressMeHeadToFootInTommy · 11/06/2015 23:24

I read that earlier. Some apology.

Why should women be the ones who have to step out of the lab because the men are ''in love" with them.

ErrolTheDragon · 11/06/2015 23:20

I don't actually think he should hand back the Nobel. If he'd been caught fiddling his data then yes, but that prize is for the science not for the character of the scientists.