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Sports and sex segregation

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Ennuid · 07/06/2015 17:15

The Roland Garros and the women's football WC this week reminded me again what I hate about sports : sex segregation. It simply reinforces the idea that men's sports are the real deal, while women's sports are a second-class. What we need to do it stop segregating boys and girls at young ages, just let them play in the same teams or events as they do before the teenage years. This way society won't see women as ''physically inferior'' and a sort of sub-par version of men. No team should be called the male or female this or that and not allowing the other sex to join, if good enough, should be illegal. Something similar happened in the US around the middle of the last century : black athletes were not allowed to compete against whites not only because of pure racism, but also because blacks were considered inferior athletes. The moment they were allowed to compete against whites was the moment they started taking over US sports and these days they almost completely dominate the most popular sports across the pond.

Women are not inferior, sub-par or a lesser version of men. They shouldn't be forced to compete in their own leagues and events. Sports are a huge part of our society and great for building confidence and teaching structure to young people. What kind of message do girls get so early in life when they are told that they should go play in a league of their own because boys are better? No wonder women grow up believing they can't go for a STEM degree or negotiate their salary ''like a man''!

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CaptainHolt · 07/06/2015 19:05

Lots of people DP prefer women's tennis because apparently you get more hitting the ball backwards and forwards rather than just banging it straight to the back where the bending over women in pleated skirts stand. It's not really my thing. I prefer the women game because you only have to sit through 3 of them instead of 5. And the way they almost finish then all of a sudden they are on equal points again - it's inhumane

TheBlackRider · 07/06/2015 19:03

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ChunkyPickle · 07/06/2015 19:02

Ah, TBR, I had a suspicion that might be the case... darn that testosterone!

ChunkyPickle · 07/06/2015 19:01

Out of interest, what was the top serving speed 20 or 30 years ago? I'm going to guess it was lower - yet people still watched, apparently it was still as interesting and exciting..

How about the 1969 Mens' World Cup - how did their fitness/skills compare to present day? That was still pretty exciting though wasn't it?

Suggests to me that the women's games not being exciting enough might have a touch of bunkem about it.

YonicScrewdriver · 07/06/2015 19:01

"If we abolished segregated sports women would be completely unrepresented in nearly everything. How would this be a good thing??"

I think OP thinks this would be a good thing...

TheBlackRider · 07/06/2015 19:01

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YonicScrewdriver · 07/06/2015 18:59

Andy Murray was shocked by the backlash against him hiring Mauresmo and has spoken out against it.

Wait, let me check if ThatBastardMurray is still free as a user name...

MoseShrute · 07/06/2015 18:59

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ChunkyPickle · 07/06/2015 18:59

Not sure size of arms actually correlates to strength in quite the way you seem to be suggesting...

Anyway, I'm not really into sport. I watch some motorbike racing (the occasional female rider), some UFC (female fighters are relatively new, so the quantity isn't there, but the quality is on a par with the early days of the male UFC, so I don't see why it shouldn't be as good in a few of years)

How would it work if you had weight/height classes for everything rather than splitting on genitals? Are men and women of a similar size of similar ability? I'm not sure they are as our body compositions are different.

YonicScrewdriver · 07/06/2015 18:58

Well, quite, Captain.

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CaptainHolt · 07/06/2015 18:56

The top serve speed in the women's singles at wimbledon in 10km/h slower than for the 16th highest in the mens singles (123 vs 133 km/h)

They only show the top 16. Top speed for men is 143km/h - 20km/h faster than the top woman.

TheBlackRider · 07/06/2015 18:54

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Ennuid · 07/06/2015 18:52

Yonic, google image ''female tennis players arms'' and you'll see what I mean!

Serena is just one example, she has bigger arms than 99% of male tennis players. Yet the bastard Andy Murray said he'd be surprised if any woman would be in the top 1000 (yes one thousand) in the men's ranking. No idea how he figured that one out.

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CaptainHolt · 07/06/2015 18:49

Speed and strength are massively important in football. Lots of top footballers can sprint at speeds that rival world champion sprinters. DD plays on a girls team. If she was forced to play with boys then A. she would quit or B. She would be dropped.

LassUnparalleled · 07/06/2015 18:49

Sorry my last post was irrelevant. As was the OP's reply to BlackRider's pertinent question.

TheBlackRider · 07/06/2015 18:48

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LassUnparalleled · 07/06/2015 18:45

"Sports are a huge part of our society and great for building confidence and teaching structure to young people."

That makes me laugh too. Only if you are interested in it and/or good. I'm hardly lacking in confidence. I loathed sport at school.

TheBlackRider · 07/06/2015 18:45

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YonicScrewdriver · 07/06/2015 18:44

Did you just say that female tennis players have greater muscle mass on their arms than male tennis players?

I don't think you are serious, OP

LassUnparalleled · 07/06/2015 18:42

I'm not interested in sport (apart from the (mens')World Cup every 4 years and that's as much a part of the fact that it is huge global phenomenon as the fact it's sport) but this is a ridiculous suggestion.

There are sports such as equestrian events where teams compete on a mixed basis and individual competitors compete in the one mixed event.

The reason is obvious -the gender of the mounted person is irrelevant to the ability of that person to control and work with the horse and if a horse is going to bolt it's not the physical strength of the rider which prevents it.

Archery and shooting have mixed teams as well.

(Sorry but the women's world cup does not grab me)

Ennuid · 07/06/2015 18:40

Sadly, respect and status are earned, not offered on a plate. You earn them by competing against the best and beating them. And no, physical strength is not superiority nor it is relevant in many sports.

Those who say men are better by default, did you watch the Champions League final last night? Most of the best players in the world are tiny . Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Neymar are around 5'6''-5'8''. Pele, Maradona and other all time greats were very short as well. So size is not the issue. What matters in football and many other sports is skill. Don't you think women can be as skilled?

Or take tennis for ex: do a image search for ''female tennis players arms'' and tell me those women are frail. The only male player I've seen with arms that big is Nadal and it's only his left arm, the right one looks liked it stopped growing when he was 12.

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TheBlackRider · 07/06/2015 18:35

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messyisthenewtidy · 07/06/2015 18:28

"Women are not inferior, sub-par or a lesser version of men."

OP, I think that you are caught up in the idea that physical strength implies superiority. It doesn't.

The reason that we need to a) keep sport segregated and b) accord women's sports with the same status is because it's fair and just to encourage everyone equally. And also because status and money will improve the quality of womens sport in the same way it has the men's.

TheBlackRider · 07/06/2015 18:17

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