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What should I do about these boobs?

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MakeTeaNotWar · 07/06/2015 06:45

Went to a local pub last night- one I hadn't been to before - with a large mixed group. Packed busy pub but everyone was distracted by some kind of movie projecting on a wall of the pub basically of topless women, dancing and writhing provocatively - looked like it was from the 70s. Please can you help me word a complaint as it was out of line.

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LassUnparalleled · 07/06/2015 14:17

I can only speak for the men I know but I can't envisage a situation where my close male friends or my husband or my son would be in a social situation where there were no women. And even if they were I doubt very much this pub is one they would pick.

It is utterly vile but to suggest all men or the majority of men would like this is unreasonable. Perhaps the OP should be more discriminating when choosing her friends. It's not clear whether OP said or did anything at the time to let the people shd was with know her feelings.

She mentions "the men kept commenting" presumably salacious comments rather comments on the inappropriateness. If the former why would one want to spend any time in their company?

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 07/06/2015 14:16

partial I believe obviously there are men like you who would hate it and leave but I think you're in a minority TBH in the world out there, I really do.

YonicScrewdriver · 07/06/2015 14:12

I know what you mean, Whirlpool!

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 07/06/2015 14:07

I mean obviously I'm not advocating for this Grin and 2 wrongs don't make a right. But just it's a different feeling. Thinking, this is wrong in principle, and actually having a direct emotional adverse reaction personally.

Not expressing this very well.

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 07/06/2015 14:05

So like, if I were in a pub and there were images of hot half naked men writing around everywhere, it wouldn't bother me at all. I would think, hmm this is a bit inappropriate, and maybe the men won't like this, but it wouldn't bother me. Any bothering would be in theory, at a distance, IYSWIM.

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 07/06/2015 14:03

Maybe the men where you live are different to the ones round here.

Most of the blokes I knew, when younger, would have thought this was absolutely brilliant. Now, that they're older and have wives and daughters and stuff, I think they would realise that it wasn't maybe ideal for everyone and if out with women would get that they might not like it / would make them feel uncomfortable. But I think if they were in a pub without any women they wouldn't mind. And they certainly wouldn't feel uncomfortable in the same way as they would if in a pub and loads of half naked hot men writhing was suddenly projected onto the wall and at the same time they suddenly realised they were surrounded by gay men who were a lot larger than them.

Because that's the difference isn't it. It's not about just the images, as woman surrounded by straight men, and then having sexualised images of women beamed everywhere, it's a nasty combination of being reminded of your place n the world and depending on the atmosphere it can feel quite threatening, in a funny sort of way, even if no-one is actually doing anything.

partialderivative · 07/06/2015 13:21

Men aren't made to randomly feel uncomfortable when they go and do perfectly normal things.

I fully appreciate what you are saying whirlpool,but please do not think that many men would feel very uncomfortable with this, and would leave the pub. I certainly would.

But would I make a comment to the management as to why I was leaving? Maybe not. Much to my chagrin.

LassUnparalleled · 07/06/2015 12:35

I would be horrified. I wouldn't have stayed. I don't often go to pubs and can't imagine the few I go to would do this.

If it were a work night out my male partner would be mortified if we had picked a venue like that; if I were with friends or my husband I am confident there would be a mutual decision made to leave quickly.

WhirlpoolGalaxyM51 · 07/06/2015 10:45

I would be pretty horrified if I went into one of my locals and there were topless women projected all over the wallls. I would want to leave and could probably persuade some of the people I was with to do so.

Some of DH friends would be pretty keen to go / stay I imagine.

When I was a teen I wouldn't have felt like I could say anything I would have just stayed there and felt uncomfortable. And the blokes I knew would have been extremely pleased.

This sort of thing is shit and it pisses me off and it always has done. Men aren't made to randomly feel uncomfortable when they go and do perfectly normal things. No bogstandard high street pub would randomly decide to project film of hot men in little pants writhing around, if they did decide to do that it would be for a specific reason. The whole world has hetersexual male as default for everything doesn't it, and everyone else must put up and shut up (which is what young women do, no matter how many people say "oh if you don't like it you can just leave" it's not actually as straightforward as that in real life is it).

CollatalieSisters · 07/06/2015 09:42

Sounds horrible to me. I'm not talented at forming words for complaints, but agree it would not be somewhere I'd want to spend time. You could write and let them know you won't be going again. But I suppose the fact that it was packed may mean that boobs and writhing are a draw. But not what I'd want or expect in a local pub.

MakeTeaNotWar · 07/06/2015 09:04

Nota porno as they weren't having sex but they were practically naked women so basically a backdrop of breasts & sexually suggestive posturing, writhing etc maybe 3m high being projected onto the pub wall. Not a film night, packed loud pub - shown like you'd see music videos playing. I felt it was really inappropriate & of course the men kept commenting

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AuntieStella · 07/06/2015 08:07

Was it a designated film night? What was the film?

Was it advertised as that venue's film night? (or been running for yonks, so that everyone knows).

SillyStuffBiting · 07/06/2015 07:58

Was it a pornographic movie showing?