Germaine Greer doesn't agree with David Furnish being named as 'mother' on birth certificate

Why would it make it meaningless?

Just because you haven't created the egg doesn't mean you can't be a mother - just ask the thousands of women who adopt or other means.

We're quick to say 'kids don't need a father' and all that speak but we feel threatened when a man calls himself mother on a legal document that probably doesnt have another option?

They have an adoption certificate. The birth certificate is slightly different and will have the biological mother's name on it.

If there is the option for them both to be 'father', or 'parent', I agree it's very odd and off for one to choose to be 'mother' - but if there is no other option, what are they supposed to do? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but they don't know who the biological father is, do they? So they couldn't even do that (or am I thinking of another celeb couple?).

I agree with Lurcio that best thing would be a two part birth cert, so the child can find their sperm/egg donor when they are of age if they want to, but the social birth certificate which lists the parents who are raising them, and that's the public one :)

Adoptive parents get an adoption certificate, they don't go on the birth certificate. David isn't the mother, he's the other father. He can't be the mother, adoptive or otherwise, because he's a man.

I will ask my lesbian friends what the wording on their DC's birth certificates is - I am pretty sure that they did not put one of them down as "father". I think birth certificates have more flexibility in their wording these days. I'd be very surprised if Furnish was actually listed as "mother".

I personally (full disclosure - I am the mother of a donor sperm child) would be in favour of a two part birth certificate - the public part would list the "social" parents, and a second private part would list whether the child had been conceived with donor sperm or eggs. The reason I favour a two part approach is that I think the child has the right to know, but shouldn't be put under any obligation to disclose it to third parties (e.g. employers, etc. who routinely ask for birth certs) who might be bigotted arses.

( and dads are mums and dads)

It doesn't me if Dvid Furnish terms himself mother when the child is growing up. In single,parent families, mums have to be both mums and dads in many situations.

However, on the birth certificate, it should have the actual biological mother. What if the child wants to find out who is biological mother is later in life, for a personal or medical reason? If her name isn't on the birth certificAte, then that information will be gone for ever.

Um, yes, Jorah.

The simple facts are, male parents are fathers, female parents are mothers. Having a male parent describing themselves as mother not only seeks to invisiblise women as mothers, but also, what does it say about fathers?

It's also oddly heteronormative, and smacks of old fashioned homophobic questions asked of SSCs about which one is the 'butch' one, which the 'female'.

Oh, and I assume you'd have the same issue with a same-sex female couple describing one as the father of the child too?

I totally disagree. Should we not consider adopted mothers to be the mothers of their children?

Until there is a system where birth certificates say 'Parent 1' and 'Parent 2', I don't think it's fair to force same-sex couples to only have one on the BC, and nor is it fair to put the egg donor as the mother. I am considering donating eggs when I've had my family, and obviously understand that any children will have the right to find me when they're 18, and that's fine, but I certainly don't want to be on their birth certificate, or considered their mother in any way. I imagine surrogacy is similar.

Who is the mother in this case?

How would you define mother? Is it as simple as the person who carried and gave birth to the baby?

If you adopt a baby from birth, are you their mother? Or adopted mother?

I'm not so sure that Greer has seen the birth certificate. Where is all this coming from? If there really isn't an alternative birth certificate (after parental order is applied for) then that is disgusting.

Linguistically, I don't think a man should be termed a "mother", and so would hope that legal documentation can instead reflect the two parents irrespective of their sex.

I don't understand her problem? As fair as i know it's a conversation that same sex couples have about whether or not they want input from the donor/surrogate. If they want to do things anonymously, what does it matter who's the "mother"?

Don't agree with Greer on any of the rest. An egg is just a blank canvas.

Is there not another option for same sex parents?