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If you could build the perfect feminist bloke from existing fictional characters ...

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JeanneDeMontbaston · 19/04/2015 11:31

Indulge me here. Where would you start with the perfect feminist (fictional) bloke?

I quite like Joss Whedon's men, but they all tend to have a worrying streak of misogyny/evil in them.

And if someone suggests Gilbert Blythe, I may have to become aggressive and silencing. Wink

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whitecandles · 02/05/2015 02:36

How about Jude from Jude the Obscure? Sees Sue as his intellectual equal, doesn't conform to society's norms about marriage, marries gobby Arabella...he's not perfect though, that bit where he slates Arabella's hair for being fake winds me up something cruel.

FeijoaSundae · 02/05/2015 02:03

This is a bit out there, but bear with...

Mr Darcy.

Lizzie rejects him in no uncertain terms, spelling out exactly why.

Instead of going on the defensive and automatically rejecting her take on it, he goes away, realizes how right she is, and endeavors to become a much more reasonable, likeable person. He also does much of it 'behind the scenes', rather than in a 'look at me, aren't I just fabulous' sort of way.

He totally respects her for not kowtowing to him, and has no respect for the likes of Miss Bingley who's forever fawning over him.

I'm not saying he's perfect, but given the era, he's not all bad either.

wol1968 · 01/05/2015 23:19

The bit that put me off Gilbert Blythe was in one of the very late books where Anne's just seen off an old rival (Christine?) and in the reconciliation he and Anne had, he goes on about how fat Christine had got and 'you were never fat Anne dear' or something of that sort. Even allowing for the time the book was written, that grated on me.

MrsTerryPratchett · 01/05/2015 04:26

Can I put in a vote for a number of Terry Pratchett types? Carrot, whose partner is a werewolf. Rincewind, who is only interested in if people are trying to kill him, regardless of gender. Lord Vetinari, who has a long running and deeply emotional chess game running with a vampire. Twoflower, whose beloved wife has died and whose daughter is running the revolution.

They all have their flaws but not a bad bunch.

I also think if you extract the awful fucking around he does (and the dumb protector nonsense), breaking people's hearts, Logan from Veronica Mars has feminist qualities. He does waiver horribly but essentially (and you did say build a feminist man) he understands that Veronica is stronger, cleverer and more determined than him and loves her for it. For that matter, her best friend Wallace is a great ally.

1Child1PetNoClue · 30/04/2015 20:34

Mr Knightley in Emma? Refuses to take the piss out of the socially/financially less well off, of either gender, not because he's being a gent but because he thinks they don't deserve it and has a go at Emma because she's being as twat not because she's a woman, he seems to respect her intelligence and that's mostly why he's so cheesed off.

drinkscabinet · 30/04/2015 20:19

Yes to Will in 'His Dark Materials'. Bit young though.

Count Fosco in 'The Woman in White' because he absolutely respects Marian as an equal adversary. Pity about the whole criminal mastermind side to his character of course.

Thomas Cromwell in 'Wolf Hall' for educating his daughters.

Hovis2001 · 30/04/2015 19:55

Hmm. It kills me to say it but I can't really think of many Star Trek men being actively feminist. Apart perhaps from Worf? Are Klingons inherently less patriarchal because they see their both male and female Klingons as warriors? And Worf 'let's go' of Dax when Jadzia dies, becomes Ezra and falls for Bashir...!

Tom Paris also helps B'Ellana come to accept both parts of herself (Klingon and human).

John Sheppard in Stargate Atlantis is a good ally too, apart from going all uber protective when Teyla is pregnant. Indeed Stargate Atlantis is a fun scifi show to watch with a feminist eye. Yay for Teyla going back to work saving the galaxy after having a baby!

ItsAllKickingOffPru · 30/04/2015 19:38

Joe Dubois from Medium, with a dash of Charlie Parker (John Connolly).

Jackieharris · 30/04/2015 19:23

Sam Beckett from Quantum Leap!

Can't think of any instance of him being anti feminist.

He always supports the 'women libbers' he meets.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 21/04/2015 11:12

I've not got into Montalbano, but someone gave me the DVDs so I should.

I just wanted to say, I've curled up with the Anne DVD this morning (which I'd never seen before) and I am coming round to Gilbert as he is in these. Bless.

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LurcioAgain · 21/04/2015 11:07

Trice - can we share? (But only the older one clearly).

trice · 21/04/2015 07:45

Can I have Montalbano? He is happy that Livia has a high powered job. He is with her through her infertility and adoption struggle. All the women are allowed to shag about as much as the men in the books without having to be punished for it.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 20/04/2015 22:11

But a good feminist wouldn't accept a woman doing herself down.

And, and ...!

Grin

No, we can totally accept that.

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YonicScrewdriver · 20/04/2015 21:59

Hmm, Hermione says that about herself though, the book smart thing.... Though the Patronus in the Wizengamot was needless, I agree.

It's bollocks about the book smart anyway, Hermione knows loads of useful and life saving spells that aren't necessarily DAtDA ones.

Shall we settle for him being more feminist than the average teen boy protagonist?

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JeanneDeMontbaston · 20/04/2015 21:40

JEK? Confused

JKR.

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JeanneDeMontbaston · 20/04/2015 21:39

yonic - yes, to be fair, he does acknowledge jealousy as his problem. And he is kind to Ginny when she has a crush on him and he doesn't reciprocate - or, more importantly, he doesn't cotton on she has a crush for ages, because he doesn't assume it would be the case (and that's rare, and rather sweet).

But, but ... no, sorry, he's not a feminist. He accepts Hermione is clever, but cleverness is devalued to mean book-smart. Hermione is rarely credited with world-changing intelligence. That's what he has. And he never fails to notice her weaknesses - he knows exactly which spells she can't do and he can.

The biggest issue is that he never makes it become her story, though. Sorry! I blame him for JEK. Wink

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HermioneWeasley · 20/04/2015 21:25

Harry Potter is def feminist - has no problem with being outsmarted by a woman and is capable of being friends with a woman without seeing her as a sex object. (Why I settle for Ron is another mystery altogether)

Will in the dark materials trilogy

DaceyMormont · 20/04/2015 21:21

Has nobody seen Parks and Recreation? Surely a huge portion of this feminist man would be made up of Ben Wyatt! (I do love him quite a lot, so I'm slightly outraged)

I opened this thread to say exactly this! Ben is my TV Husband Grin

The Andy / April relationship is quite beautiful too...of course, he was an arse at the beginning of the series when he was with Ann, but the writers reinvented him quite a bit after that. At the end he's willing to give up his dream job so April can pursue hers. That's pretty good.

VashtaNerada · 20/04/2015 21:17

In many ways the absolute antithesis of a feminist ally, I loved the way Mick Carter in Eastenders (Danny Dyer - I know, I know) responded to his wife's rape. He didn't doubt her for a second, although many others did. That's just one facet to his character, but I think he showed real strength and understanding when she told him.
Also, DH says a lot of Star Trek characters are feminist allies eg Chakotay (I don't watch it because it's for boys - JOKING Grin)

Moln · 20/04/2015 21:05

Atticus Finch? Struggling to recall as it's be years since I read the book

Albus Dumbledore

Whatshisface from little women. The 'poor professor'? He didnt appear to feel Jo should be held back because she was female (admittedly I've only read the first book, which he wasnt in, and basing this on the film!)

LagerthaEarlIngstad · 20/04/2015 20:50

Oh God yeah, George Cooper - so preferable to Jon! He just supports her doesn't he? To be who she is.

TheSpottedZebra · 20/04/2015 20:48

Why should it be Hermione's book? Confused, but I don't want to derail.

DuchessofBuffonia · 20/04/2015 20:42

Also, continuing the Tamora Pierce theme, Raoul and Neal from the Protector of the Small quartet.

DuchessofBuffonia · 20/04/2015 20:37

George Cooper from The Song of the Lioness Quartet by Tamora Pierce (YA fantasy).

He's the only one of Alannah's lovers to accept her for exactly who she is. Jon wants her to wear more dresses and Liam prefers her to be solely a fighter, whereas George just loves her for her and doesn't try to restrict her in any way.

FlourArranger · 20/04/2015 08:44

Has nobody seen Parks and Recreation? Surely a huge portion of this feminist man would be made up of Ben Wyatt! (I do love him quite a lot, so I'm slightly outraged Wink)