I thought I was a feminist until someone showed me this forum.

still, as you know, when you are asked why it is that you post, it is because you seem to be so angry with various posters here so often, not because your views are not of interest.

Why should I not get angry? I see things posted on here as incontrovertible facts ; personal experience being used as evidence if it supports the incontrovertible fact and dismissed as irrelevant because it is only personal experience if it doesn't.

I see little in the way of challenging of views going on. There's the odd troll with an agenda and the transgender threads get challenge and debate (despite being I imagine the subject with the least real life relevance )

Buffy.

I am not going to link to the thread but there was a thread a while back where under a former user name I felt bullied. I corrected a statement of fact which was simply wrong - not opinion - just wrong and it descended in to series of "hilarious" jokes about my being obsessed.

I'm not going to name names but I have seen extremely rude responses from regulars to other posters including one to a poster who had previously started an interesting and well received thread. I won't say which thread it was as that will identify her and the regular who made the very nasty comment.

Unless she has name changed I don't think that poster has been back since the attack on her.

Still, as you know, when you are asked why it is that you post, it is because you seem to be so angry with various posters here so often, not because your views are not of interest.

What is the exact definition of a feminist?

Op your realisation that the rather naive understanding of feminism you came in with is being challenged should be a positive. The fact is that the issues around equality and choice is complex and MN is one of multiple places to deepen your understanding and challenge preconceptions, but it is up to you you can take the blue pill or the red

Cheers still that's the one!

embracing the fact that women are equal to men ?

On which planet exactly?

Bigmouth here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2338198-Are-there-any-forms-of-consensual-behavior-that-would-disqualify-someone-from-being-a-feminist

Might be a name change but this is OP's only post.

Op are you related the person who started a thread on what actions could disqualify you from being a feminist? Can't link as on mobile and my search etc is limited but p'haps someone else knows what I am on about.

Anyways it is very easy to be provocative when you make a general point based on opinion and no actual examples.

Really if you only frame a definition of feminism within the parameters of mn then you are kind of missing the everything else so based on your sample size alone ... You are entitled to your opinion but can't say I agree with it.

What are these 'feminist rules' you are referencing anyway?

Can you link to where they've been mentioned on a thread on here?

I'm a feminist. A lot of things posted on this section I agree with. Some I don't. Pretty much the same as the rest of MN.

I was once told I was not a feminist, called a rape apologist and sent some abusive PMs because of the most ridiculous argument ever. That wasn't anything to do with MN or feminism though. That was a troll. She's been banned now...

LOL about being brought up to believe that feminism is about equality and choice.

I was brought up to believe it was all about hating men.

Some people were brought up to believe something else completely.

I think wider society is more insistent on "compliance to a set of rules" than this board is. And er, wider society actually has ways of enforcing compliance, this board doesn't.

I'm a feminist, I don't know anything about a set of rules I'm supposed to be following and I'd rather someone identified as a feminist than got themselves tied up in semantic arguments - if you're feminist, good, if you want to learn more about how others define themselves as feminist, that's good too

I find people who pick apart others version of feminism simply patronising - don't knock someone who just might not have had the opportunity to think it through from your angle yet, it's that style that puts people off identifying as a feminist in the first place

Oh, don't feed it

Acim I've bumped that thread now.

OP you don't seem to get that feminism was called 'women's liberation' for a reason.

The 'equality' movement is a separate offshoot.

Women are equal to men, as human beings. But in our society they are not treated as though they are equal to men. That's what feminism I trying to change. I'm curious about where the idea of a 'set of rules' came from and what you think the rules are?

I agree with whattheseithakasmean I often don't agree with the concensus and will get asked why I bother posting.

I post because I like MN in general and it's interesting and occasionally very annoying and occasionally very hypocritical but I'm not interested enough in feminist theory to check out other available forums.

No idea what your point is Meditrina.

See I was the opposite, I never thought of myself as a feminist until I lurked in here. Its opened my eyes.

"Feminism isn't about embracing "the fact that women are equal with men" - feminism is about recognising that women should be equal with men and are not currently. And that is not to be embraced but to be fought against."

You see, I disagree with that slant. If you do not fully embrace the idea, how do you have a start point for the rest? If you do not believe in equal worth, why would you notice or care?

"So I'm guessing you weren't a feminist to start with."

Clearly, once again, me neither to some people.

But that doesn't change how I self-identify.

OP, you might find this thread interesting:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2222959-To-be-a-bit-dismayed-if-4-million-women-visit-this-site-why-are-there-so-few-posts-on-the-feminism-threads

feminism is not a choice but compliance to a set of rules

What are the rules? Not being goady. but genuinely don't have a scooby what you're on about.

I do tend to find that people who say feminism is about choice mean the choice to wear heels or make-up or be a stripper or a 'happy hooker', or the choice to get your tits on twitter to #freethenipple. It's rarely about the choice to get equal pay for equal work, or the choice not to be catcalled or sexually assaulted, or the choice to not live in a patriarchal rape culture.

Feminism isn't about embracing "the fact that women are equal with men" - feminism is about recognising that women should be equal with men and are not currently. And that is not to be embraced but to be fought against.

So I'm guessing you weren't a feminist to start with.