Man mutilates woman and some people think it is hilarious. Depressing.

"and are always told that they are incapable of effective violence, and so do not turn to violence so easily

Are we? Who tells us this? I do not respond with violence as it's wrong, not because any one told me I couldn't do it efectively.

I find this a really odd thing to say. Surely women and men who refrain from violence do so because it's wrong not because it might not be effective"

It might sound a bit odd out of context, but as Yonic correctly intimated I was thinking of self-defence at the time. Which I would try to do (have done) if I could, if I wasn't frozen by shock and fear, whether it was 'wrong' or no: if (when) I or my child or dh or even some girl I happened to be passing was being threatened with unprovoked violence. In my world, when a general social preference comes up against a practical individual essential right here now, the latter will usually win (if not incapacitated as stated). But I think a lot of women would not even try from fear.

We're often told specifically not to fight back against attackers in case it escalates. That's what the man talking about the Delhi rapes said recently isn't it: the victim should have accepted the rape, not fought back, it was her own fault she was murdered. I've heard police giving out the same advice in lighter circumstances. A difficult line to draw.

Who tells us we can't? Well that rapist for one. There are lots of social messages that tell us women are weak and feeble and therefore ought to do what we're told by men. Have you come across many female fighter role models? I know of a couple, but they're vastly outnumbered.

Possible trigger....

A nurse (male) at the John Radcliffe in Oxford has admitted 27 charges of sexual assault (including 3 rapes), filming women getting changed and filming up a visitor's skirt. Most of the assaults were carried out on unconscious women and he filmed himself.

I feel pretty sick about that, too.

Sorry the headline made you sick there PD.

Also sorry that you believe that femicide doesn't happen in streets where we live.

I did not read the article or any of he comments as just the headline made me feel sick

Still bemused by the idea of Sharon Osbourne as a radical feminist

Yes, the stupid was strong with that one.

I think male violence against men is a hugely worrying problem. I'm bemused that more men don't engage with doing something about it, rather than devoting their energies shouting at women and calling them liars.

Still bemused by the idea of Sharon Osbourne as a radical feminist

I was proud to see my 15 year old son tell people off on FB who thought it was funny.

Sadly, a few of his friends on fb thought it was really hilarious.

Laz has been banned (again) I think.

Still, if that violence was in self defence - do you think you'd be more or less effective against a female or a male assailant, in general?

Bishop Sharon Osbourne had the audience in stitches when talking about the bloke's penis been chopped off and put in the garbage unit on the chat show the Talk (clip )

The fact is man are the main cause of violence and also suffer most from violence. Till we can change how men are socialised around violent behaviour it is unlikely to change and even then you have the nature nuture argument about this which I will never get my head round 100%

To some people it would be funny, yes. That's fairly obvious. We can't go around policing what people will or will not make jokes about. People have made jokes about World War II and 9/11. People in here are upset because this incident impinges upon their political views, but it's a fairly typical human reaction to something that does not affect them directly.

People find that funny? Why?
Would gluing the end of a man's foreskin together be similarly hilarious?

and are always told that they are incapable of effective violence, and so do not turn to violence so easily

Are we? Who tells us this? I do not respond with violence as it's wrong, not because any one told me I couldn't do it efectively.

I find this a really odd thing to say. Surely women and men who refrain from violence do so because it's wrong not because it might not be effective

Do you think that is telling, Yonic? I know men who make jokes about those kind of things. I do it myself, even when on the receiving end. And while the case in the OP is much more serious, the same sort of flippant comments occur. It isn't because anyone thinks less of women, or they aren't seen as human, or she deserved it - it's because we (man and women) deal with these incidents with dark humour, because we are removed from them, and because we don't see them through a political lens.

Yy treacle.

As a society there are many jokes made about injury against men's genitals - "ooh, right in the nads, that's gotta hurt" said with a big smile, etc. A lot of this kind of thing is said by men. Not to condone it, of course.

I would be very surprised if you couldn't find similar posts which mocked the victim about the Moscow case, on forums that were predominantly men.

"I agree with lazo that there is a double standard over laughing at female on male violence and of seeing it as justified, the last straw, an act of desperation etc, "

But that's because it is. Men are more socialised to violence, men cause 86% of all violence in the last survey I saw. Women by contrast are socialised to care for others at expense of themselves and are always told that they are incapable of effective violence, and so do not turn to violence so easily. Why is that statistic so easily forgotten and dismissed? There is a power imbalance in gender relations, women usually are the victims, and it usually is a true last act of desperation after years of dismissal!

If you want to claim that on a social level violence is never acceptable, then help us build the more supportive caring society that would stop such problems from escalating to these levels instead of just whinging that there are male victims too. We know that!

I did see this on FB & found it shocking, what makes it worse is that the man would have actually planned this crime in cold blood before he did it.

I remember the Lorena Bobbitt story and thought it was equally bad.

And to add to Puffins' post - if that 2007 thread didn't go on past the first 10 posts to include many posts denouncing the violence, I'd be very surprised.