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Are there any forms of consensual behavior that would 'disqualify' someone from being a feminist?

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willkeaveney62417 · 22/03/2015 23:29

Are there any forms of consensual behavior that would 'disqualify' someone from being a feminist?

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uglyswan · 23/03/2015 18:58

Thank you Yonic, put that way it does sound heteronormative as fuck. But I suppose I'd better read it myself instead of asking strangers on an internet forum to précis it for me (irony, OP, I'm being ironic. I'm doing irony. Geddit? Irony. )

YonicScrewdriver · 23/03/2015 18:16

Swan

It is about the additional domestic work women typically assume after marrying a man.

I think it may touch on same sex relationships for contrast.

YonicScrewdriver · 23/03/2015 18:14

Will

My understanding of Still's position, though I have no doubt she will correct me if I'm wrong, is that punters, pimps and prostitutes should all be criminalised and fined or jailed if convicted, with some leniency for prostitutes in dire personal circumstances.

Is that your position?

uglyswan · 23/03/2015 18:10

Askbasil - I haven't actually read "Wifework", although I know it is generally recommended here. The title always put me off (heteronormative) Blush. AIBU?
OP, I'm getting the impression that English isn't your first language, so I apologise if I've been needlessly snide about your language usage. But if you are posting here in good faith and are seriously interested in feminism, you would benefit far more from actually reading some of the books on my list than from badgering complete strangers on the internet to engage with you, when you haven't volunteered a single opinion, observation or thought of your own. That is why you are not getting anywhere here: your attitude means you come across as lazy, hostile, and intellectually dishonest. And if you can't be bothered to read anything, then at the very least sit down and take the time to formulate some ideas of your own before you post here again.

BuffyEpistemiwhatsit · 23/03/2015 18:03

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PuffinsAreFictitious · 23/03/2015 18:01

So what are you here for?

BriarRainbowshimmer · 23/03/2015 18:01

Oh shit I made OP do a sad face by being too empowered.

ChopperGordino · 23/03/2015 18:01

Neither is anyone here to teach you. I want to know your opinions on the questions you are raising. Or do you think you're conducting a seminar?

willkeaveney62417 · 23/03/2015 17:58

@chopper im not here to teach you

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willkeaveney62417 · 23/03/2015 17:56

thanks for your input stilllostatthestation

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ChopperGordino · 23/03/2015 17:56

What do you think OP?

YonicScrewdriver · 23/03/2015 17:55

". You'd think close knit communities would evolve beyond these things. I"

LOL.

willkeaveney62417 · 23/03/2015 17:52

@buffy I have already been accused of dictating, stating my opinion would be too foward. I want to learn about you.

Why didn't you take the opportunity to talk about why think there cannot be any other kind of feminism and why the term degradation is anti-feminist?
@ebear You are not stopping me from leaving.
@buffy Blush
@Teeste Why do you think so?
@briar Sad
@still Thanks for moving the thread forward.

Can we be manipulated into believing we are empowering ourselves?

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StillLostAtTheStation · 23/03/2015 17:49

You'd have to make up your own mind on what activities, if any, you think are incompatible with being a feminist and which are damaging to women as a whole.

For me the ones I listed in the third paragraph are. The ones in the second paragraph aren't. I don't particularly care if any one thinks that list is right or wrong but that's my take on it.

The world would be a better place if all of the things in the third paragraph didn't happen. I would like them to be unacceptable in the way slavery, child chimney sweeps, smoking indoors and hopefully performing circus animals are beyond the pale.

I find the fretting over should I or should I not wear make-up or pink, should I be furious if any one calls me "lass", will my daughter's brain melt if I let her watch Frozen tiresome.

BriarRainbowshimmer · 23/03/2015 17:36

OP Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like??

(considers changing name to HystericallyEmpowered)

BuffyEpistemiwhatsit · 23/03/2015 17:22

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StillLostAtTheStation · 23/03/2015 17:18

The OP's question seems quite clear to me- basically are there actions which women willingly do which are detrimental to womenkind as a whole and perpetuate sexism?

At one extreme there is Julie Bindel going on about how just sleeping with a man is collusion or the notion that actually wearing make up/shaving legs (as you can't possibly be doing that just to please yourself) are colluding with the "patriarchy"

Personally I think that women who are not compelled by direst financial need or trafficking but actually choose to be prostitutes, lap dancers, porn stars, Page 3 girls, darts walk on girls or other "empowering" activities are colluding with sexism and oppression. So yes, I would say all of these are incompatible with being a feminist.

Teeste · 23/03/2015 17:18

'Degrade' is a very strange word to use. As is 'hysterical'. Especially in this particular context Hmm

BuffyEpistemiwhatsit · 23/03/2015 17:17

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ChopperGordino · 23/03/2015 17:12

The DS DD DP acronyms were common Internet parlance before MN and are not exclusive to it now

EBearhug · 23/03/2015 17:10

You'd think close knit communities would evolve beyond these things.

This is an entirely public community, and there are new posters all the time. The acronym list and house rules are there to help people fit in more quickly. There are always people who will find the style here won't suit them, in which case, they're entirely free to go and explore the rest of the internet or indeed, log off and go and do something totally different. If someone doesn't like it here, it's entirely their choice whether they continue with it or not.

So don't let us stop you.

BuffyEpistemiwhatsit · 23/03/2015 17:07

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willkeaveney62417 · 23/03/2015 16:59

@yonic Never noticed the list there. You'd think close knit communities would evolve beyond these things. I suppose the burden lies on me to set an example and ignore your immature insult.

@buffy Do self-proclaimed feminists ever degrade themselves, without being aware of it at the time.

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