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Are there any forms of consensual behavior that would 'disqualify' someone from being a feminist?

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willkeaveney62417 · 22/03/2015 23:29

Are there any forms of consensual behavior that would 'disqualify' someone from being a feminist?

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YonicScrewdriver · 25/03/2015 08:37

Or....DWLLWGAF?

PuffinsAreFictitious · 25/03/2015 08:36

Maybe OP if you were to describe the parameters of the subjects you wish the performing monkies women to discuss for your pleasure and edification, then we'd have a better idea of which direction you wish us to take it. Thanks.

BuffyEpistemiwhatsit · 25/03/2015 08:34

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itsbetterthanabox · 25/03/2015 08:20

Shit I really should have RTFT before answering.
What a misogynist you are op. Biscuit

RufusTheReindeer · 25/03/2015 08:16

I'm a bit Shock at the OP to be honest

I can't even type much without being rude

Why do people do this? Do they mean to be so rude? (Going to go with yes)

And why is it only on this board?

IrenetheQuaint · 25/03/2015 08:14

Thank God for a MAN turning up and telling us what we should be doing.

I'm not a massive fan of 'X isn't a real feminist' type baiting, which like so much is aimed at setting women against each other rather than actually making anything better, but I agree with the poster above that restricting other women's rights and opportunities is hard to reconcile with feminism.

EBearhug · 25/03/2015 07:55

Asking the OP what he thinks is inappropriate.

will, I think you may have misunderstood what the point of a message board is.

And though you don't like abbreviations - ODFOD.

scallopsrgreat · 25/03/2015 07:17

Oh what did MN and FWR do without you will? We were just floundering around having debates with posters that engaged in their threads not knowing or developing our own minds or opinions until you came along.

Thank you for showing us little wimmin where we are going wrong. Clearly not engaging in the discussion, give nothing of yourself, be exceedingly patronising and demanding of people who don't actually have to give you the time of day, and telling us all where we are going wrong is the way to hone opinions and arguments. Who knew? After all none of us have ever been to university, use negotiating skills, debating skills or form arguments in our daily lives. We just wouldn't know what to do. We are so grateful for you being here giving us this vehicle. MN just hasn't been able to do that so far. It's only been around 15 years and is run by women. What can you expect?

Idiot

Stillyummy · 25/03/2015 06:45

I am a feminist. I may iron my husbands shirts, bake cakes have taken his name and even occasionally where things I know he will fancy me in... But I do this because I want to and if I didn't want to- beleave I wouldnt.

YonicScrewdriver · 25/03/2015 06:32

"My aim is to provide a vehicle for discussion among others. "

Err, what did you think a talk board was and how do you imagine all the other threads are managing without you patronising them?

That's patronising in the sense of being a patron, of course...

ChopperGordino · 25/03/2015 06:26

Don't be silly, it's not inappropriate at all. Mumsnet has been providing a vehicle for discussion for years without your help.

itsbetterthanabox · 25/03/2015 01:58

A woman who works to actively reduce the rights of other women.
There are some politicians who call themselves feminist but then attempt to change the law to reduce women's rights. For example nadine dorries calls herself a feminist but campaigns and has put forward proposals to reduce the the legal abortion limit. So less women can access abortion.
However I believe her claims of feminism are a political tactic and she is very much the opposite.

willkeaveney62417 · 25/03/2015 01:47

edit: anyone claiming im not responsible for giving you much more to work with

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willkeaveney62417 · 25/03/2015 01:45

@chopper Asking the OP what he thinks is inappropriate. My aim is to provide a vehicle for discussion among others. The question is broad and unambiguous. If feminists cannot come up with some kind of working model of behavior and continue to individualize themselves to the point that everyone is doing something totally different all the while equally empowering, then the patriarchy will continue to massage feminists achievements while solemnly look down upon everyone for the yet another century.

And a word of caution to anything claiming to have read any dense material. Until your opinion on the subject becomes as effortless as a flowing spring, you have not fully absorbed the text, so your volume should not exceed your input. Continue to keep it casual, otherwise reread. I'm responsible for giving you much more to work with.

@mink Which activities would you or a prominent feminist faction, or anyone else, consider unbecoming?

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minkGrundy · 24/03/2015 01:30

One's own dungarees even.

minkGrundy · 24/03/2015 01:29

Ignoring the dubious motives of the OP, there is a distinction between the things a woman chooses to do with herself and things which she does to other women.

Participating willingly in the oppression of other women is anti-feminist. Participating in activities which others much consider unbecoming Wink of a feminist is open to debate. And is a difficult area to unpick given that it is often hard to establish someone's motivation for an choice of course of action (even if you are that individual).

What is the mechanism for barring a feminist? (And would barring a feminist in fact disqualify you from being a feminist necessitating the burning of one's on dungarees)

And I love it when someone parachutes into MM with an @ in hand. Kinda gives the game away.

DioneTheDiabolist · 24/03/2015 00:50

I am totally down with the kids.

DioneTheDiabolist · 24/03/2015 00:48

Nope SillyOPTypePerson. No consensual behaviour precludes any woman from being a feminist.

Cos being a feminist is all about being a woman who knows she is equal to a man. Any woman who thinks she is less than a man does so cos of the patriarchy. Innit?!

AWholeLottaNosy · 24/03/2015 00:31

Oh dear should have known thread wouldn't have ended well ( still chuckling to myself tho and still a feminist.)

[ note to self: RTFT before posting!]

AWholeLottaNosy · 24/03/2015 00:26

Sorry, only read first page, can see the debate's got much weightier ( still fucking funny tho..,)

AWholeLottaNosy · 24/03/2015 00:25

"MorrisZapp

Do you mean like giving Jeremy Clarkson a bj?"

Oh that HAS to win MN quote of the day! Made me laugh SOOO hard!!Grin

shaska · 23/03/2015 21:18

^I consder feminism to be a belief system.

There are actions that would make you a confused feminist, or a weak feminist, or a feminist with cognitive dissonance issues, but not actions that can in themselves make you "not a feminist".^

Agree.

I get confused when anyone says they're not a feminist. To me that says 'I believe women are lesser than men'. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't think that, you're a feminist. It's a broad church, for me.

YonicScrewdriver · 23/03/2015 21:13

Yep, I see her as famous for being a sleb not a p3 girl - all her money is from the former, AFAIK.

No , you never said anything about them having more power but when I said I didn't lay anything like the blame at their door, you said why not. The power differential is why not.

We disagree, I'm not going to persuade you and you're not going to persuade me. No doubt we'll both survive. And frankly, I don't want to give Will any more fun than he's already having.

Au revoir.

Trills · 23/03/2015 21:10

I consder feminism to be a belief system.

There are actions that would make you a confused feminist, or a weak feminist, or a feminist with cognitive dissonance issues, but not actions that can in themselves make you "not a feminist".

StillLostAtTheStation · 23/03/2015 21:06

Lusardi was a slightly older contemporary of Sam Fox. She went on to a bit of soap acting.

Have I got the wrong Katie? I meant she who used to be Jordan. She started in the sex industry.