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Article in The Economist about gender gap in education

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camaleon · 06/03/2015 10:16

The article is here http:econ.st/1DYCQxm
Basically girls are outperforming boys in education. The explanation provided in the article seems to suggest that schools are favouring girls. No mention to the possibility of this being a reflection of universalisation of education and the results of girls participating in an even playing field.

One of the jewels of the article:"That should worry women, too: in the past they have typically married men in their own social group or above. If there are too few of those, many women will have to marry down or not at all"

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PetulaGordino · 06/03/2015 12:50

there will only continue to be bias if people continue to make assumptions about what people are good at, what will interest them, what skills will be important for them later in life, and how much time and effort should be spent on them based on what genitals they were born with

camaleon · 06/03/2015 12:47

The lack of male teachers is part of the inequalities in the system sausage. If teachers and primary education were viewed as a serious matter (rather than a job dealing with childcare and mothers) more men would be in the system. But as it is, primary education is also the answer to many women who need to take up a job with compatible with their own childcare. At University level, a very important majority of professors are male.

I don't know your story, but a teacher preaching all men are potential rapist has nothing to do with feminism.

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sausageeggbacon11 · 06/03/2015 12:36

So girls are doing better than boys at school and there is no innate educational advantage. Actually that doesn't read well does it as it suggests that girls have an advantage at school from gender bias and support. Certainly with the lack of male role models at school for my boys and a couple of teachers who preach rad fem at school have made things awkward. I have had issues with DS2 and his self confidence. People may remember my issue with a teacher a couple of years ago preaching all men are potential rapists to impressionable teenagers. I would like to think my boys have been lucky with the support they get as they are doing well and we expect that all of our children will have Uni education. But if the system gets overhauled again will it really make any difference? Both sexes need good role models in their teachers but in terms of day to day interaction my boys haven't had much. I have concerns that whatever happens at school there will be a bias one way or the other.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 06/03/2015 12:25

Well, it depends on whether they've had babies, obvs. Because naturally, women who have babies are worth less than men who have babies, because there's no structural gender pay gap at all. Women choose to be paid less.

PetulaGordino · 06/03/2015 12:07

slightly beside the point, but i don't think same-sex couples get the same pension entitlements when they marry as opposite-sex couples

but yes, lesbians at the bottom of the pile as usual. what percentage would a lesbian couple who were both WOC be likely to bring in?

Babycham1979 · 06/03/2015 11:59

But Venus, men are not paid any more for the same job, with the same experience. If women chose different career options, decided not to take time out for children, worked as many hours as men and didn't retire earlier, there would be no gender waqe gap.

VenusRising · 06/03/2015 11:55

Well puffins, marriage to a man is a sure way of increasing the family salary to 180% as men are paid 20% more than women even if they aren't as highly qualified.

Stay single and you're on 80% of what a man gets!

And you're fucked if you marry your lesbian lover, as you are on 60% of a same sex male couple, who, even though life expectancy is lower, each get a 100% increase when they wed- and pensions reflect this too.

tabulahrasa · 06/03/2015 11:54

There's been concern for quite a long time in education that the system now seems to favour girls...I think a system that creates different results by gender is worrying.

It should be about equal, taking into account other criteria.

It does though, highlight the gender pay gap...girls do better in education, but then as adults are paid less.

camaleon · 06/03/2015 11:45

Thank you for the extra info PetulaGordino.

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PetulaGordino · 06/03/2015 11:42

dp showed me this article yesterday, which i think is referring to the same report

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-31751667

it has this additional comment:

"But there are a couple of big conclusions delivered by the OECD's education guru, Andreas Schleicher.

There is no "maths gene", there is nothing inherent about boys or girls doing particularly well or badly in different subjects.

If boys can do better than girls in maths tests in some western countries - and then girls in Shanghai can do better at maths than those western boys, it shows the variable factor is not gender, but those education systems.

Mr Schleicher says the study shows there is nothing innate, immutable or inevitable about gender differences in education.

There might be a blizzard of overlapping influences - self-confidence, parental expectations, society's stereotypes, gender bias, school support - which can affect how young people behave.

But it's nothing that is hardwired by gender."

PuffinsAreFictitious · 06/03/2015 10:40

Yes! Because marriage is all women should be thinking about

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