The greens and prostitutes

Yes, god, pretending that it benefits women's health -mental and physical - to prostitute ourselves is incredibly offensive. It's the opposite.

FUCKING HELL!!!!!!!! WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME!!!!

Oh wait is that what Madonna was singing about????

Someone's been watching too much Reservoir Dogs

Rufus no it's 100% true, your vagina will shrivel up and stop functioning if you don't have constant heterosexual intercourse.

Seriously what unscientific PIV-obsessed, heteronormative bs.

I'm just a bit at the whole vagina narrowing thing

Or did I misread, it's possible...I am trying to mumsnet, read and watch a film...not very successfully

mary, do you disagree with my earlier statement, then? You think that consent to sex is something which can be bought and sold?

I personally think that there are some things which cannot or should not be bought and sold regardless of the willingness of the seller. For instance, I do not agree with selling of people (ie slavery), or their body parts (organ trade). For me, that extends to selling consent to sex (prostitution), but not as far as selling ideas (patents).

"Yes, frequently! And some fascinating conversations have resulted; I am lucky that my male friends (gay and straight) are mostly emotionally literate and interested in other people and their relationships."

WOW you have gay and straight friends to have fascinating conversations with, you must be so fair and unbiased on stuff i can hardly wait to read your posts.

If you want to know my point read my posts dear.

"Mary" claims to have found MN via google today and this posters first post was to bring up gamer gate and that feminists talk too much about misogyny. Just so you all know, bitter manhating prudes of FWR.

PS) No men don't suck. Not enough at least. If only they sucked more, they could easily satisfy each others important animalistic urges without spending any money. Men sucking more could clearly save their health and their lives.

Mary if you read the thread you will see that the women who have sold sex on this thread have not been responded to in that way at all

The issue is with men who buy, not women who sell

Science, innit.

I am desperate to understand how having sex gives women better teeth and better bladder control.

Though actually my bladder control couldn't be better, oddly considering I haven't had sex since 2010.

"The 'I can pay for it so I deserve it' attitude that is behind every environmental problem that exists in the world today would be challenged once and for all."

What about "its mine so i can do what i like with it and that includes selling it, giving it away or leasing it".

"You do not know what is best for you so you do not get to decide if you can to sell it, rent it out or give it away"

Hmm that is a familiar attitude.

"Have you ever tried explaining the intricacies of another couples relationship to a man because it was what got me into thinking about how they obviously do not think or are aware like we are."

Yes, frequently! And some fascinating conversations have resulted; I am lucky that my male friends (gay and straight) are mostly emotionally literate and interested in other people and their relationships.

Remind me what your point was again?

Sex based oppression in that context means sex-based... as in the oppression of women based on their biological sex.

Not the act-of-sexual-intercourse-based.

"Shall we carry on talking about Green policy on prostitution now? Rather than evopsych nonsense dreamed up to justify sex based oppression?"

Sure why complicate it with something so absurdly unrelated to prostitution as sex is.

Men suck and we should force women not to do things we disprove of because they should be free to choose what they want.

"Nope, still not good reasons why women have to have satisfy men's urges (if such overwhelming urges exist) at all costs"

And still nobody is saying we should unless we want to or at least im not anyway.

What i am saying is that the is a preponderance of evidence that how we think and perceive things is nothing like how men perceive things or at the very least quite different and so is how we react to things and it ultimately landed me here due to a google search.

Have you ever tried explaining the intricacies of another couples relationship to a man because it was what got me into thinking about how they obviously do not think or are aware like we are.

GOD i sat there and explained in exacting detail the reasons a couple i thought we both knew were having a problem with their relationship along with times and social events that he was part of but he had not even noticed one single thing.

He remembered being in each of the places (eventually) and that people communicated THATS IT, his entire memory consisted of being there and people speaking words to each other at points during the evening.

Barely any of the details of the conversations from any of the social events and lets not even bother with the implications for the relationship they had because he had no clue even AFTER i explained it.

He just sat there looking at me with a glazed look in his eyes and once he realized i had actually finished talking he said "oh hmm i dunno". DUNNO WHAT for gods sake i had not even asked him a question or his opinion on anything i had just explained things to him.

Anyway now i feel better thanks :).

I just wanted to raise again (as someone else did but I can't remember who sorry!) cottage's post from the webchat which identified one of the ways in which the green party's stance seems incongruous with their overall philosophy:

"The 'I can pay for it so I deserve it' attitude that is behind every environmental problem that exists in the world today would be challenged once and for all."

Tbh someone could produce evidence to suggest that men literally die from lack of sex, and I still wouldn't agree that they have a right to it at all costs. Because if there is another person involved then their consent is paramount

Yup.

Jessica good point.

You do know as a defence it is only rarely available and it is also only available if the child that is killed is the one to whom the birth relates. The killing of an older child by a mother suffering from an imbalance of mind following child birth within twelve months would not be covered by infanticide.

It's also interesting that it seems to exist as a separate special defence in only a few countries and particularly interesting , for me, that it doesn't feature in Scots Law.

The reason I say that is amongst those involved in criminal law there's a view that the Scots system is in several respects fairer to the accused (corroboration, 15 rather than 12 jury members, no lengthy remand periods awaiting trial ) than in England and Wales. I've never heard of any one calling for this to be introduced in Scotland which makes me think it's of no more benefit than the general defence of diminished responsibility.

Tbh someone could produce evidence to suggest that men literally die from lack of sex, and I still wouldn't agree that they have a right to it at all costs. Because if there is another person involved then their consent is paramount