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Men who parade how "feminist" they are but who can fuck right off...

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ArcheryAnnie · 03/03/2015 23:20

...as they don't actually want to listen to women who disagree with them in any way.

I am not including common-or-garden arseholes here, as the list would be a billion posts long and the internet would explode. I am talking about the kind of man who writes a long, handwringing article in the Guardian about how we should all listen to feminists more, but then deletes most of the comments from actual feminists that are posted on it.

The two currently at the top of my very long List are:
Ally Fogg
Owen Jones

Nominations, please.

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ArcheryAnnie · 18/03/2015 14:14

No worries, Puffins - and I have nothing against RF, it just isn't how I see myself.

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almondcakes · 18/03/2015 14:14

I've heard it used, but I think it works better offline, where women are part of a community in the traditional sense of working together, eating together etc. It feels a bit stranger to use it in an online setting where you don't meet the women you are speaking to.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 18/03/2015 14:09

True enough Countess Grin

Sorry if I made it sound like those were the only examples of groups that use it Annie. Should have qualified it by saying that those are the groups I hear it used by most Blush

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ArcheryAnnie · 18/03/2015 14:06

Saskia so am I. (And I'm not a radical feminist, either, in ref to what Puffins said.) So probably a culture thing.

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 18/03/2015 14:06

I hear radfems talk about sisterhood quite a bit though with a consciousness of the issue of women being held to a higher standard than men and 'sisterhood' being used as a stick to beat feminists with for not agreeing all the time.

I also hear it used non-ironically in a positive way - when women help each other out in a way that goes above and beyond what you might expect, it sometimes gets celebrated as 'sisterhood'.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 18/03/2015 13:57

Saskia, it tends to be used quite a lot in the context of sisterhood by RF and lesbian feminist groups iirc. It does however get used by a fair few people ironically, because they don't believe in sisterhood or that women are capable of organising in a coherent way. Which is how I believe it was used in this context.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 18/03/2015 13:57

pand0raslunchb0x

No, I suspect you aren't anyone's sister.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 18/03/2015 13:54

Annie Yes, it may be due to age/culture. I'm in my 40s, and can honestly say I've never heard that term used in a positive sense.

pand0raslunchb0x · 18/03/2015 13:51

Annie made references to 'sisterhood'. Am I not a 'sister' then?

Puffins - it's bullying tactics but it seems you are at the driving seat - enjoy your derail.

Countess: Tell me why can I not have a neutral view? I'm not really into pendulum swings of hate and emotion I much prefer a calm constant logical view.

Think its time to sign off for a bit.

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ArcheryAnnie · 18/03/2015 13:46

Saskia maybe it's an age thing? Or a culture thing? Because I've met loads of women who refer to "sisters".

pand0ra if you are so keen on "positive mental attitudes", perhaps you'd like to model them for us one day? Not today, obvs, but one day.

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PuffinsAreFictitious · 18/03/2015 13:41

Your motives are exposed as bullying tactics

Who are you accusing of bullying you this time?

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 18/03/2015 13:41

When I say real feminist I mean someone who genuinely is a feminist, rather than someone who claims to be for the purposes of goadiness or belittling.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 18/03/2015 13:39

I'm always a bit suspicious of people who claim to be feminist women using the term sister to refer to other women. I've never met a single real feminist who does that.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 18/03/2015 13:38

But your posts in this thread aren't positive, Pandora. I think you're trying to wind people up, you know.

pand0raslunchb0x · 18/03/2015 13:36

Positive mental attitudes should be transferred into positive mental posts. Your motives are exposed as bullying tactics can you not see how ironic and contradictory that is? not very 'Sisterly' is it when im a feminist myself.

I'd certainly like to rally on some of the unhelpul negative cycles of posts I read from certain people.

ApocalypseThen · 18/03/2015 13:31

So basically no chance of any examples of feminist extremism?

pand0raslunchb0x · 18/03/2015 13:28

I'm here for feminist chat, whether you like my view or not its on topic. Sorry it doesn't align to to your ways of thinking or entertainment favours.
Read all my posts in feminist chat before you try rallying under goady pretences.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 18/03/2015 13:28

lol...

Oh dear.

Radical Feminism isn't extreme. It is pro-woman, but assumes that, as men have all the power presently anyway, they have the tools they need to sort their own problems out, and so they can be disregarded. If RFs win their political struggle, the root cause of sex inequality will be gone anyway, radical meaning root and all.

And no, misandry isn't a real thing. In the same way as sexism toward men isn't real, or racism toward white people.

zozzij · 18/03/2015 13:26

Goady and so embarrassing. "Now now" - who says that?

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ArcheryAnnie · 18/03/2015 13:21

Eh, I call goady. How dull.

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pand0raslunchb0x · 18/03/2015 13:12

Now now. See how you've started to expose your antagonist side? I'm not looking to descend into an argument, but thanks all the same.
This is the Internet - we're airing views here I wasn't directly addressing you personally.
Take my post however you wish Annie, hopefully with good intentions Smile

Cariad007 · 18/03/2015 13:11

I'm reminded of two young women I overheard on the bus one day - university students, white and middle-class, who were saying that feminism is no longer needed because "we're all equal now anyway." Yes dear, you probably are as you live in a little bubble of privilege, but it sure as hell isn't like that for all women!

ApocalypseThen · 18/03/2015 13:10

I'd like some examples if that extremism, not vague references to it.

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ArcheryAnnie · 18/03/2015 13:07

i'm rising in the male dominated business world, my own personal experiences have shaped my views of the world and I'm inspired daily by those who achieve greatness despite adversity.

And this - what's the point of this? The entire world is male-dominated, not just the "business world". I'm inspired daily by those who help their sisters up, despite adversity, and who don't try to make an equivalence where there isn't one between patriarchy and right of women to try and change that patriarchy.

If you'd like a shortened version of that, how about this: misandry isn't a real thing. Hope that helps.

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ArcheryAnnie · 18/03/2015 13:04

Who this "you" that you are referring to, pand0ra? I've met quite a lot of pro-female women on MN, but I haven't yet met any who are anti-male per se. Anti-male privilege, certainly, but that's not the same thing.

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