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Men who parade how "feminist" they are but who can fuck right off...

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ArcheryAnnie · 03/03/2015 23:20

...as they don't actually want to listen to women who disagree with them in any way.

I am not including common-or-garden arseholes here, as the list would be a billion posts long and the internet would explode. I am talking about the kind of man who writes a long, handwringing article in the Guardian about how we should all listen to feminists more, but then deletes most of the comments from actual feminists that are posted on it.

The two currently at the top of my very long List are:
Ally Fogg
Owen Jones

Nominations, please.

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YonicScrewdriver · 26/03/2015 16:14

No, I think all this sexism is having a negative effect on women.

HTH.

CollatalieSisters · 26/03/2015 16:14

And what do you mean by "all this feminism"?

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ArcheryAnnie · 26/03/2015 16:08

What do you mean by a "negative effect on men"? People with a disproportionate amount of structural power generally find it uncomfortable when that power is redistributed, so am unsurpised if some men don't like it.

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arandmorgan · 26/03/2015 15:58

So does anyone think all this feminism may be having a negative effect on men? There are quite a few women in the media that are saying that it might be. was just wondering if anyone thought that way?

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ArcheryAnnie · 23/03/2015 12:27

But I'm so hostile, Buffy! And so angry and obsessed! And I was trying to silence him! By the incredibly sneaksy method of talking about what I was interested in and not what he was interested in! Why can't you see how much I was oppressing him?

(This all doesn't speak well of who in the party is paying attention to social media and the public messages, alas.)

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BuffyEpistemiwhatsit · 23/03/2015 12:20

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ArcheryAnnie · 23/03/2015 12:11

Yeah - women's bodily autonomy = a "micro issue". Nice!

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vesuvia · 23/03/2015 12:07

From what I've read of his writing, Owen Jones gives me the impression that he is a man who knows little about lesbians, and doesn't care much about their concerns.

Dotheyfloat wrote - (referring to Owen Jones' opinions on the "cotton ceiling"): "His lack of encyclopedic knowledge on obscure micro-issues"

Your comment shows everyone how little you know about lesbians and how little you care about lesbians.

AskBasil · 23/03/2015 11:53

It's so depressing. Everything else he writes about, he researches thoroughly.

Only women don't merit the usual level of research. Sad

ApocalypseThen · 23/03/2015 11:22

Well, if you're going to write an article in a national newspaper severely criticizing the opinions of a group, it adds significantly to your authority on the subject if you understand how and why they reach the conclusions that they do.

Dotheyfloat · 23/03/2015 11:08

"He was astonished to learn of the existence of the "cotton ceiling" when confronted with it on twitter and didn't even seem to understand why lesbians might have a problem with it! "

His lack of encyclopedic knowledge on obscure micro-issues exposes him as just another white male who exists inside a bubble of privileged ignorance.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 20/03/2015 18:32

Both comrade and sister seem like reasonable epithets to me.

But then, I see the struggle against oppression as a group one.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 20/03/2015 18:00

I'd be happy with being a comrade.

YonicScrewdriver · 19/03/2015 21:33

Ok then, Still. To each their own.

StillLostAtTheStation · 19/03/2015 21:09

"Sisterhood " or for that matter "comrade" doesn't resonate with me at all.

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ArcheryAnnie · 19/03/2015 15:41

Oh, I've been dealing with a prize example of a MWPHFTABWCFRO today.

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YonicScrewdriver · 19/03/2015 15:33

Oh, I say 'sisters' on here sometimes.
Sad

I like the way it sounds more than 'ladies' 'girls' or 'women'

If I dropped it, I'd use comrades Grin

Cariad007 · 19/03/2015 00:34

You make a very good point Vesuvia. I'm yet to hear of rabid man-haters who go around castrating and then killing men. Yet men who rape and murder women? Sadly we hear about them every day.

AskBasil · 18/03/2015 23:12

Glad you mentioned the scale Vesuvia.

I'm wondering what this scale is that Pandora is referring to.

Social scale? Philosophical scale? Political scale?

Because at the moment, socially, politically, economically, the scale is set at misogynist as norm. We still live in a society defined by misogyny. Extreme misogynists want it kept that way and extreme feminists recognise the misogyny of wanting to keep it that way and point it out as the misogyny as it is.

Someone who thinks that society is evenly balanced and most people, institutions, organisations and ideas are held somewhere around the middle with extreme misogynists at one end equidistant to extreme feminists at another, is usually steeped in misogynist assumptions. While believing they're in the middle.

Hmm
vesuvia · 18/03/2015 22:51

pand0raslunchb0x wrote - "the blind ignorance of extreme views from polar opposite ends of the scale ie: Extreme Misogynist vs Extreme Feminist - both are in sense 'narcissistic' and will therefore never reach any viable nor reasonable solutions with their current opposing mindsets." and "Extreme Feminist is an anti-male pro-female mentality, Extreme Misogynist is the exact opposite. Ask yourself where that view concludes to?"

Do you even know what an extreme misogynist is? Extreme misogynists include men who rape and murder women by the thousand. Do you think any feminists behave like those extreme misogynists, the only difference being that they rape and murder thousands of men instead of women?

There are no feminists who behave as some kind of extreme anti-male equivalent to extreme misogynists.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 18/03/2015 18:46

Unless they float and know what you're doing when they have their back to you, they aint real nuns.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 18/03/2015 18:42

They might be undercover nuns. They wear plain clothes but can be identified by their habit of carrying guitars and randomly bursting into a chorus of Lord of the Dance.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 18/03/2015 17:12

Do they wear wimples and play very violent hockey?

BuffyEpistemiwhatsit · 18/03/2015 17:01

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SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 18/03/2015 14:26

Thanks for the replies! It's interesting to hear how the word is used in a positive sense.

"It does however get used by a fair few people ironically, because they don't believe in sisterhood or that women are capable of organising in a coherent way."

This tends to be how I've heard it. Or used in the context that women who defend other women are doing so because we have some kind of hive mind and automatically agree with each other on any given issue.