Glosswatch.com

Unlikely it was just that, Choochi.

But yes, GW is a target for transactivists, some of whom have big issues with women discussing matters such as abortion, FGM etc.

AFAIK, the majority of trans people don't have issues with things like pregnancy or prostate cancer being discussed with reference to biological sex.

Oh right ,thats shocking,brings home how 'out there' you are on the Internet what kicked all that off then ? All this pronoun stuff?

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Doxxing is publishing a person's details online, name, address, etc without their consent and wuth intent to harm, I think. Someone correct me uf I'm wrong.

www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/dox?searchDictCode=all

Sorry, Annie, I responded to your second post without seeing your first

Choochi, it means revealing someone else's personal details.

Archery, yes I can.

As far as MNHQ is concerned, referring to a trans person by something other than their chosen pronoun breaks talk guidelines just as much as using "shirt lifter" would. They are clear about that. They are jointly responsible for anything published on their site and they delete anything that breaches their guidelines.

It doesn't matter whether you or I agree which words are offensive and which aren't. Just phrase posts without those words - for example, by using DLT's name or initials - and we can all continue.

What does doxxing mean?

Knickerful you can't compare someone saying "he" with someone saying "shirt-lifter".

I do understand why MN and somevhere are saying "be respectful", but I find it so hard to stomach. It seems that however much women are stalked and attacked, however much that women are hurt, however much their children are threatened, the onus on women is always, always to be "nice" and "respectful" towards the people who attack them. I am reminded of my mother, sitting there with broken glasses, bruised legs and cigarette burns in her hair, telling me not to say anything to my dad for doing this as it might provoke him. This isn't in any way new, but by god I am so sick of it I can barely stand it.

"And that the person monitoring is more concerned by pronoun use than by someone threatening a writer's children."

Not at all, Annie, just as someone reporting the use of "shirt lifter" about a gay doxxer wouldn't be more concerned about that than the doxxing.

Also it's unfair to describe them as silently monitoring - it may be someone who has already posted, or is a FWR or other MN regular or it may be that MNHQ routinely keep an eye on threads relating to trans these days, or that one of them read the thread as GW is on the MN blogger register and they were interested.

I understand too, but why give 'them' the satisfaction? Keep posting, keep calling them out on appalling, criminal behaviour, just don't give them any pathetic excuse to shut us down.

They will not be able to redefine what 'woman' or 'she' means as long as we are able to discuss and debate - and MN is one of the few places we can still do that.

TheCountessofFitz I understand completely.

And that the person monitoring is more concerned by pronoun use than by someone threatening a writer's children.

Mutual respect is excellent and I always prefer the presumption that other people are decent and we should treat them as we would wish to be treated. But when a man bullies women and all the other women put his desires about how they should refer to him, above their own right to free discourse about that man, I think we have a problem.

We are allowing ourselves to be bullied; personally I am finding this excessively triggering - I just can't hack it. I'm out.

I know. I find the idea of someone silently watching to monitor us for language and make reports very, very creepy.

Not that I expect anywhere on the internet to be safe, but still.

Christ. I can't believe this. Nowhere is safe.

Although I understand not wanting to call this person 'she', I'm with Knickerful and MNHQ here. Keep the moral high ground - and keep this forum relatively free - by being respectful, however much we disagree with this individual's actions.

When an individual is a dangerous woman-hating male who has stalked and doxxed a woman and her children, and hounded her off social media altogether, then no, I'm not going to be courteous to them, however they identify.
I agree. No matter what MNHQ thinks, I do not want to call a woman-hating male individual who threatens women and their children "she".

I hope Glosswitch and her children are ok. This harassment and silencing of feminists online shouldn't be allowed to go on.

MNHQ have picked a line on this and they stick to it. I'm sure they'd delete posts about a homosexual criminal that referred to them as a shirt lifter or similar. By doing so, they wouldn't be excusing the crime or saying the language was worse than a crime.

If you aren't comfortable with pronouns, phrase it using DLT's name always.

Thanks again MNHQ for more freedom to discuss than many places.

I remember reading articles about a M2F who had raped a child, and transactivists were complaining because a news article had called them a he.

the take home lesson from this is that the gender pronouns of people who were (or still are, depending on your level of pomo) male, must be respected. even if the continue to behave exactly like abusive men.

I was starting to suspect something of the sort when the blog was locked down - such a shame as her writing is wonderful. I really hope that she feels able to bring it back at some point - I've learned so much about what I think from reading and thinking about Glosswitch's posts and articles.

Just awful for her and her family to be put through such treatment simply because she is a woman expressing her own opinion online.