The Mary Beard Appreciation Society

BreakingDad77 the uncommonsense blog is an evidence-free bit of nonsense written by someone who doesn't understand feminism, and who doesn't respect women's boundaries.

Thank you Annie I thought it was but I'm struggling with some of the jargon!

In as much as I can make sense of it I assume I'm a "cis" and that is a BAD THING.

God alone knows now Buffy.

Knowing that, in 200 years some archaeologist is going to dig up some bones, look at them, look at the pelvis, maybe do a DNA scan of the tooth pulp and decide that it's the body of a male, no matter how they "identified" in life, makes me one, so....

Just to be 100% clear. I have nothing but positivity for someone who wishes to transition. If you want me to use specific pronouns when talking about or to you, I will do it without thinking about it. I support people who want to live their lives as they wish. I don't expect cookies for any of this.

I won't support people, of whatever "identity" who want to usurp women's voices, belittle women's struggles or who actively encourage violence and aggression toward women. "Die cis scum" is not a viewpoint I'm going to be happy about. despite not being cis, or really knowing any women who are

I see in the New Stateman article upthread that some transtheorists want to appropriate women with PCOS as intersex. As a woman with mild PCOS, fuck that for a game of soldiers*

I suspect I may have too. I concur. Victoria Beckham is a sufferer too isn't she? I'm fairly certain VB wouldn't think she was intersex.

Well, surgery isn't perfect. I am all for people reconceptualising the penis as something you can have and still present as a woman rather than removing a healthy organ and committing yourself to a lifetime of medical care. Often it's money, anyway - not everyone can afford the operation. Where I part company is at the idea that we all therefore have to pretend there is no such thing as male and female biology.

"fact that she was called Colin and had a full beard six months previously must be disregarded for fear of being called a bigot."

Or is still called Colin, still has a full beard but feels she has a right to use female communal changing rooms..........

Is there a distinction, terminology wise, between a transwoman who has had (or is planning) gender modification surgery and one who has not (and isn't planning to)?

Not discernibly, at least, not the ones on Twitter and elsewhere. Oh, and even asking.... means you're a TERF. Welcome to the gang

The person who threatened to doxx Glosswitch has what is known as 'a bit of a history' of doxxing. S/he even calls themselves an ethical hacker.

It's all a bit patriarchy isn't it? For people who say that they're women?

:( about Glosswitch, that is a real loss.

Something that bothers me about the 'trans women are women and always have been' trope that seems to be becoming accepted reality is that when trans women who have not transitioned rape and abuse their female partners, this is logged as 'female domestic violence' and 'female rape' and statistics get skewed. It also allows male violence apologists to say 'but women rape too!' which absolutely infuriates me...

Similarly, when men who have built a successful career in STEM industries/academia then transition, suddenly this is hailed as a breakthrough 'for women' and we're told we mustn't moan about lack of representation in these areas as - look! There's a woman doing that job now! The fact that she was called Colin and had a full beard six months previously must be disregarded for fear of being called a bigot.

Thank you to all who signed that letter, I know that several of you are on here and I hope the fallout hasn't been too awful.

Glosswitch is wonderful.

Oh no shit really? I will really miss glosswitch's blog

Glosswitch's blog is now private? God, what an enormous loss to feminism on line. That is so sad. (Incidentally, I do not blame her in the slightest - but how bloody awful that such a thoughtful, interesting, in fact brilliant woman has been silenced). Can I add my voice to those upthread saying if anyone knows her in RL, please pass on my support and say that I will really miss reading her stuff.

On another note, I see in the New Stateman article upthread that some trans*theorists want to appropriate women with PCOS as intersex. As a woman with mild PCOS, fuck that for a game of soldiers. My biology is not being used for their political ends, especially when their political ends involves erasing my identity as a woman who is happily content with her biology but thinks that the gender roles society constrains women to adopt suck.

interesting blog post

[[https://womanassubject.wordpress.com/2015/02/17/what-on-earth-would-orwell-think-universities-no-platforming-and-that-letter/ interesting blog post

butts in

Dear Women of the Mary Beard Appreciation Society,

Hello! You don't know me, but I'm one of the women that signed the letter, and I just wanted to let you know that me, and quite a number of the other signatories have been reading your thread this afternoon, and have found it incredibly heartening.

It's wonderful to see that intelligent women are thinking and talking and supporting each other, and refusing to be cowed by this.

THANK YOU.

butts out

Annie that article is fascinating. I particularly like this: "Really. Gender identity is a shell game in which women always lose."

That was really interesting Buffy. I think I follow you.