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Iheartu · 12/02/2015 23:02

I'll probably get everyone shouting at me, but why is it not obvious that men don't do half of housework?

If women are only working 70% (or whatever) as much as men, then it wouldn't be equality if it was all shared in the house. More men work longer hours so less men do housework. When as many women are in fulltime employment then as many men will do the chores? It seems pretty obvious.

that won't happen though. Not till men have babies LOL

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morethanpotatoprints · 13/02/2015 10:42

Ok.

first of all define work?
More men work longer hours - says who?
Its fewer men do housework - not less. How do you know? Evidence please.
Many women are in ft employment and many men do the chores.
Pretty obvious.
Do you have a point to your bullshit post.

FWIW my dh does approx 70% of domestic chores and I am a sahm.
He does this because occasionally he works away and I do the lot. I am also pretty shit at it Grin
There are many ways couples organise their domestic responsibilities, looks like you haven't cottoned on to this yet. Sad

RufusTheReindeer · 13/02/2015 10:33

Oh and puffins is completely right about some women being left in the lurch

RufusTheReindeer · 13/02/2015 10:31

People don't look down their noses at SAHMs

They do however look down their noses at stupid people who post stupid things purely to get a rise

Iheartu · 13/02/2015 10:18

or left by their partner in 10 years when they've no employment record nor up to date qualifications. However, I'm sure that won't be you.

Yeh sounds about right. What did I say about ppl looking down there noses?

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MrsWolowitz · 13/02/2015 09:58

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PuffinsAreFictitious · 13/02/2015 09:57

Makes no sense? All those fancy words and you cant do the math? LOL

I could do the maths if there were any to do. I'm very happy for you, that you can afford to stay at home, many women and men don't have that luxury.

As long as you have equal leisure time and equal disposable income then there is no problem, the problems arise for women in your position who find themselves either without that leisure time and money, or left by their partner in 10 years when they've no employment record nor up to date qualifications. However, I'm sure that won't be you.

ChunkyPickle · 13/02/2015 09:49

exactly Scallops - in fact we just went and got life assurance for us both, having worked out what it costs to replace one of us, and realising that if something happened to one of us then the other would be in severe difficulties!

scallopsrgreat · 13/02/2015 09:43

The pay gap is real and it takes into account hours worked.

Nobody is saying your partner should do all the work at home. Do you both get the same amount of leisure time?

And I'd say he was lucky to have you enabling him working and looking after the house and children. Because it would cost him a fortune in time, money and effort to replace you and he would certainly understand what working hard was all about. He also wouldn't be able to his work as he does now.

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Thurlow · 13/02/2015 09:43

Ah, it must be nice to live in a little 1950s world.

You know, where the woman either doesn't work or only works part-time, where the man earns 70% of the income, and where only mums who stay at home can raise their children properly.

I'll stick with my 2015 world, thank you. But please, keep enlightening us, I'm fascinated.

Stealthpolarbear · 13/02/2015 09:41

" As her earnings increase in comparison to his, so does the amount of housework done by her, compared to him."
I suspect hers drops to closer to his level, as they hire a cleaner.

ChunkyPickle · 13/02/2015 09:41

I don't think the pay gap is because men are working longer hours than women .. and if it was, then one way to reduce it would be to equalise the working, so men worked less, women worked more.

I'm glad that works for you, I've spent time at home with my children too, and now I'm going back to work, because that's what's right for me and my family.

My partner doesn't need me to do everything for him, he's a grown man who is capable of running the washing machine or filling the dishwasher or changing a nappy, and if he wasn't, then he wouldn't be the right man for me. If you're happy with your DP going out to work and you doing everything around the house then that's great, but understand that it's not what everyone else wants.

MrsWolowitz · 13/02/2015 09:39

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Iheartu · 13/02/2015 09:34

you keep going on about the pay gap so men are working longer hours than women. So all the other jobs, the woman is going to do more. Simples.

Trouble is you want it all ways. Im not going back to work and why should I put up with people asking me when im going back then looking down there nose at me cos im going to look after my son properly. I dont expect my partner to do all the things at home too and im not going to bitch about it either like im so hard done by. Im lucky he works hard and supports us.

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MrsWolowitz · 13/02/2015 09:33

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Iheartu · 13/02/2015 09:29

? wtf? haha

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ChunkyPickle · 13/02/2015 09:19

Well, DP works 40 hours a week (we'll neglect commute) - I have similar earning power, but someone has to look after the kids and until last week that was me. We now have a combination of nanny and childminder for 40 hours a week, which is costing probably about 30k a year.

So, when I was a SAHM I was saving the household 30k, just by being there. If you add on the cost of me providing taxi service, concierge, accountant, gardener etc. then I am contributing as much monetary value to the house as he is, and that's before we even get to the housework, and any real money I brought in from my freelancing.

By your sums, he earned 100% of the money, and so I should do 100% of the housework - but in really, I saved at least 50% of that by staying at home - how would it be fare for me to do that, and all of the housework?

ThatBloodyWoman · 13/02/2015 09:15

We earn comparable amounts.
Dh works more hours, with his hours covering all the running around for after school clubs etc,which I do.
Who should do more housework then?

nunkspugget · 13/02/2015 09:09

If you imagine that the average husband and wife lived in a caravan on their drive, but kept the kids\food\clothes etc in the house. Now imagine that you had to pay me at least £10 every hour that I spent in the house. (Leisure time spent in caravan). Now who do you think is earning the most?

BuffytheThunderLizard · 13/02/2015 09:08

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scallopsrgreat · 13/02/2015 09:04

I bring in more money than my partner yet work outside the home less hours. So how would that equate in your ridiculous calculations

ThatBloodyWoman · 13/02/2015 08:57

Speaking clearly,I understand that if I work 20 hours and my husband works 40,it would seem equitable that I would do more housework,and vice versa.
But where does looking after children come into that? And the womans financial independence? And the woman's freedom to take up more work?
You can't see the housework issue as a stand alone imo.

nunkspugget · 13/02/2015 08:51

I think bringing money into this confuses the issue. If I won the lottery, thus providing 100% of the next 20 years income, does that mean I never have to lift a finger in the house until the money ran out?

BuffytheThunderLizard · 13/02/2015 08:14

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