Feminist Pub 17: The Bluestocking frolics in the fells and fens of feminism

Tell a lie, it's a guest post apparently..

Actual movers are fantastic (fondly remembers a team of people scurrying around the house wrapping and boxing stuff while I wandered round with a cup of coffee directing them with waves of my hand).

We used removal pods for our last move though, which was good because they're cheap to store while you get the new place sorted (rather than having one, huge, chaotic moving day)

Has anyone else read the paternity leave blog article on the blogs bit - God that boss has a good attitude, and then the comments under are the normal British small business whataboutery.

lol! Well slapped there.

Drink lots of tea, sit in luxury and watch people work around you. It's stressful enough without having to actually do things.

Removal people, Puffins. Don't be sexist!

Yup, Tuesday. Our first move with actual movers!

And Annie, I've just read that you're moving day is imminent. Good luck with it all. Hopefully you've done the sensible thing and got actual removal men in to do it, rather than having to pack, load and unload everything yourself into a tiny van even though you've assured DH that it won't all fit in

Yes Buffy, which is where Catherine Howard got involved with Mannox (her music teacher, when she was about 13) Dereham (who she had 'relations' with and then appointed as her secretary) and Culpepper (who succeeded Dereham in her affections, and who she considered marrying, and then went on to meet after she married Henry vii)

The Dowager Duchess was also imprisoned when Catherine Howard fell, Henry believed she should also have been put to death, but she was eventually released.

(not a historian either, just an enthusiastic and bored amateur)

I haven't posted in the pub before but wanted to show everyone this quite amusing review of 50 shades of grey movie from the wonderful Lisa Wilkinson without starting my own thread. LW, for those who don't know, identifies as a feminist and has spoken about the pressure she is put under by viewers wrt looks and outfits - her co host was the one who wore the same suit for a year.
video link from womens weekly

You see it frequently in novels eg bridesheqd revisited iirc they go to visit nanny and it's v significant

Indeed Puffins, there is a good book by Richard Gathorne-Hardy about nannies which says that many Victorian/Edwardian adults were still closer to their nanny than to their parents, because she had been the main person in their lives when growing up.

In the 16th century royal children had their own household almost from birth, and would have often been apart from their parents for long periods of time. Poor Mary didn't see Catherine of Aragon for years at a time, though of course that was Henry punishing Catherine for not giving up the marriage.

My parents' generation and younger wear jeans etc to regular mass tbh. My grandparents wear Sunday best. I would go with Sunday best for this particular celebration

Eeeek! And here endeth the first lesson.... sorry.

I'd wear whatever you usually wear to Mass to a Mass celebrating a profession/Final vows. Smart, but not wedding IYSWIM?

And IIRC, boys of noble birth tended to be farmed out to other households to learn their weapons and girls were sent to large households to learn how to be ladies, Places at the 'best' households were fought over, because, having been tutored in the womanly arts by, say, the Dowager Duchess of Norfolk's household, meant that they would be introduced to a better class of men and make more advantageous marriages. Didn't work out too well in the end for Catherine Howard though....

I think I'm right in saying that this went on until the Victorian period, when the cult of the nuclear family came into being, and even then a promising child from a poorer branch of a family, might be sent to live with better off relatives. Even though the romantic idea of family life was built around Victoria, she almost certainly only saw her children once a day, when they would have been presented to her to recount their day, and that carried on well into the 20th century.....

Surely women of sufficient status to be at court would have had wet nurses and not so much breast-feeding?

But didn't they have low tops to allow for breast feeding? And breasts weren't seen as overtly sexual, whereas ankles were incredibly racey!

can I have a wine? Actually just got one and boy is it going down fast.

Another whisky house?

Thanks Petula, but not wireless. I think the batteries connection is dodgy.

Watching Wolf Hall. May have to read the book...

Dragon

Upto That sounds annoying, having the heating conk out. My heating doesn't so much conk out as gets switched off because dp is a tight-arse who thinks we should manage without heating, whatever the temperature . We can afford to heat the house, just he thinks we shouldn't bother It's a constant battle of wills in our house, with me switching it on and him switching it off.

I'll join the gibberers in the corner. I've had the week from hell already and it's only halfway through. I've had a parents' evening, been sworn at by a pupil, had another pupil ask a completely inappropriate and sexually explicit question, dealt with other pupils demanding to know why I had X excluded when it was clearly a joke, and I've had to explain again why it's completely unacceptable to use gay as an insult. I'm being observed tomorrow as well, which is another stress I could do without. And I've had a headache since Monday morning.

Ignore this lordc if you've already ruled it out (or it's really patronising), but if it's wireless have you checked the batteries don't need changing?

I want to go somewhere warm but without fucking mosquitoes.