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Feminist Pub 17: The Bluestocking frolics in the fells and fens of feminism

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AKnickerfulOfMenace · 07/02/2015 19:25

This is the 17th incarnation of the Feminist Pub!

Here be goats, cannons and chat on feminism and related themes. Also snacks. And booze, copious booze.

Welcome!

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PuffinsAreFictitious · 23/02/2015 17:46

Oh, I know Enormouse, and I am so glad that you were so well supported. I'm tired, and I'm always a bit pessimistic when hooped. I'll be back to my usual annoyingly perky self tomorrow Grin

Enormouse · 23/02/2015 17:37

Puffins that mouthy minority is pathetically tiny. They seem to crawl out the woodwork every so often, I think this has just been a bad weekend.
I have found amazing support here and felt brave enough to say what I went through trying to access an abortion because I know MN is a liberal, intelligent, feminist space. And that wasn't just FWR, it was the swagger inn, pregnancy choices and MN as a whole. And you should be proud of that. Don't let Bumblejuice and her minions take that from you.

scone that thread was a bit odd. Like a parallel universe.

UptoapointLordCopper · 23/02/2015 16:53

Scones Which thread is that? There was a time I thought I have never experienced discrimination too. Hahahaha. >

SconeRhymesWithGone · 23/02/2015 16:42

There's another thread too, less disturbing, but sad in its own way, in which posters are falling over themselves to say they experienced no discrimination, even in male dominated industries, life is wonderful for women, I'm ok, so all is well with the world, etc. I finally posted on it and appear to have killed it.

GibberingFlapdoodle · 23/02/2015 16:19

Wasn't that bad really, it was fun playing, but I don't have the mental stamina to keep up any more.

PenguinsandtheTantrumofDoom · 23/02/2015 16:09

Well yes. Sigh.

There are a few posters who I never invest in debating with. I may sometimes engage them at arms length.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 23/02/2015 15:56

What I don't understand is, if your friend said that her husband beat her, you would support her.

I've never heard anyone read about a mugging and say "oh, but it might not have happened, I won't believe them until it's gone to court... anything else is damaging to the defendant's right to a fair trial".

On the evidence of that fucking horrible thread, I would suggest that there are one or two of the posters on there who probably would doubt those 2 scenarios. In fact, didn't the most infamous of them actually say that she would doubt someone saying they had been robbed because she knew someone who had lied about a burglary for the insurance? Might have been one of the others, but, jeez, what horrible people she knows, all those people who lie about being victims of crime!

Sometimes I think that MN is quite a wonderful feministy space, and then you have a thread like that, and realise that there is a hard core of women who really, and I mean seriously, hate other women. I almost feel sorry for them, they miss out on wonderful friendships, and then I stop, because they really don't deserve them.

GibberingFlapdoodle · 23/02/2015 15:44

Just heard pub gossip, would it be against mn rules to write that sticky up? About the standard myths men come out with around sexual crimes etc?

GibberingFlapdoodle · 23/02/2015 15:42
UptoapointLordCopper · 23/02/2015 14:55

Hello!

Have not looked on most boards. Lucky escape, it would seem!

I'm sticking to this thread, recipe ones, and the wolf hall one. Grin

HouseWhereNobodyLives · 23/02/2015 11:18

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PenguinsandtheTantrumofDoom · 23/02/2015 11:11

What I don't understand is, if your friend said that her husband beat her, you would support her. You wouldn't wait for a trial and hedge your bets until then. This campaign is basically just about choosing to be the friend sometimes. We don't all have to pretend to be the jury.

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Enormouse · 23/02/2015 10:56

petula that means a lot. Thank you. And for all the support you offered. As did the vast majority of posters (i haven't forgotten any of it Smile). The web chat looks likely to be on the 2nd March.

house I guess they want to be seen as completely egalitarian and open minded and they possibly read the Daily Mail. But you can be so open minded your brain falls out.

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PetulaGordino · 23/02/2015 10:28

*ASN

PetulaGordino · 23/02/2015 10:28

enormouse, your posts on that thread have galvanised me to step up my support and activism for ANS and other groups working in that area Flowers

PuffinsAreFictitious · 23/02/2015 10:24

Well we know that at least one rape specialist police lot are totally onside, because we have a female police officer posting who has said that. We do have a male lawyer who's said some stupid stuff and, I believe, a male police officer who said some equally stupid shit.

Things are changing, but if a female lawyer is still propagating falsehoods about how rape victims are treated, that's worrying.

Enormouse · 23/02/2015 10:20

I think you're incredibly brave house and wish you luck for the trial. And also thank you Flowers

I was a bit Hmm as from what I've learnt in basic first year criminology is that the cps will not bring a trial to court without definitive proof of actus reus (that the guilty act can be proved beyond reasonable doubt) and mens rea (intention to commit said crime).

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