Feminist Pub 17: The Bluestocking frolics in the fells and fens of feminism

Yes we have in the garden!

In fact we have

It does make you smile.

Or more accurately going round in spirals, for 'tis written, you never come back to your starting position, you never step back into the same river. Good wine here. Ooh I just saw a daffodil in the emoticons! Perking up a bit, nice cheery yellow flowers! Ta Mumsnet!

Oh yes, unemployment. As a sahm with 4 years out looking after kids I can drink to that and no doubt underemployment at best...

Which brings me on to bastarding incompetent politicians with no ideas beyond feathering their own nests and the total bastarding global capitalist world order. I might be going round in circles

Back to karate this evening. I shall endeavour not to get smacked in the head.

But yes, bastarding everything. Especially unemployment.

Just grabbing a chair for later :)

Oh how about the ones grumbling about secondary school girls and their short skirts? FFS leave them alone!!!

Pull up a chair, and let us grumble together! I have also grumbled today about amateur psychology and that ever-favourite perennial, 'kids today'. Men of course always provide such temptingly large targets. Isn't that nice of them. Pick a topic, any topic.

I subscribe to anti-bastardism.

Had a conversation the other week about annoyance over being called "miss". Told oh maybe they are from a different culture maybe that's how they are taught in school etc (by a woman). Am fed up with finding excuses for other people. I just want to say STFU. Why can't I just be annoyed because the world is just unfair??

Richard Dawkins. Git. 'Nuff said.

I'm atheist/ agnostic/ vaguely pagan sometimes too.

I don't know why. I feel the same about Atheism. I'm an atheist (though if I were to be anything other than that, I'd be polytheist with the Greek gods and Ancient Egyptian gods; you can blackmail the Egyptian ones ) with a little a, but I could never engage with the atheist movement as it seems utterly full of misogynistic twats.

As a complete change of subject, and noticing that a thread on misogynistic bullies in families has been revived and we have another on feminism and racism (good an excuse an any), I've just been reading something about the intersection of feminism with other forms of entitlement. Generally the rulers of the world are these rich white caucasian males who are anti-women, anti-colour, anti-everything except themselves. Particularly I'm looking at the intersection of feminism and environmentalism. That was a long build-up to not-much.

In that light I'm feeling extra disappointed about the attitude of the Green Party towards feminism at the moment. It's often been suggested that environmentalism, non-exploitation, goes hand in hand with a more feminist appreciation of planet earth. So why the blazes are they turning on us? They are sponsoring transgender over us, and their line on prostitution begins to look suspicious with that in mind.

I'm being very grumbly lately.

I don't think I've ever heard mention of IWD in my company - should I have?

I wonder if today's Dilbert cartoon is in anticipation?

all our IWD activities are happening on one single site, that takes 45 mins to get to from the main site . i have commented on this

*client

Are working with a clinet whose doing things for International womans day, just spoke to lady in HR I know in our company and they say we are doing nothing

Ask away Lurcio, I'm not sure how much would could have helped, though saying that "it's wrong to chase someone when they've told you they're not or appear to be interested" would have helped. My parents didn't really talk much about relationships at all.

With the first to me they had defaced my books and I was worried I was going to get in trouble with the teacher + endure parents wrath.
With the second stalking I seemed more conscious of not 'telling on a girl' compared to the first time. I don't know if trying to explain that its not silly for a male to spur a female would help. As guess that could be the next thing that by rejecting them they worry of being bullied of liking boys or is that too young, I don't know how perceptions are these days at that age?

Obviously I understand women suffer way more stalking/creepyness than men, but hope can help nip the source in the bud?

I have a cold and a headache and a cough and I'm reviewing a paper that's full of mistakes and have no purpose. I want to kick something but that might make my head fall off.

Can I just say AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH?

AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!

As you were.

BreakingDad - sorry, skipping back a few posts, and hope you don't mind me asking. If you could go back in time and talk to your parents when you were that junior school child, what would you want them to do? DS (7) sometimes complains to me about girls with crushes on him, and how embarrassing he finds it, and how much their behaviour gets to him, but beyond saying "Yes, that must be terrible, it's wrong to chase someone when they've told you they're not interested, so what these girls are doing is wrong", I'm not quite sure what to do about it.

I tend to go for plants rather than flowers on the principle that they'll last longer and will retain their own life... works until I kill the plants anyway. My dh gets me plants sometimes.

Dh and I very rarely buy each other gifts for birthdays or other occasions and every year I get comments about him being unromantic when friends or family ask "what did he get you?", I'll explain that we don't do gifts, we both feel weird opening gifts but there's still an unspoken expectation from others that even though I've said I don't want a gift, he should still get me one, yet when it's his birthday and I'll tell others I've not gotten him anything and why, it's just accepted. I think it's more romantic that he has respected my wishes and not gone and bought me something after me specifically asking not to. Hope that made sense.

It the little things like when he does the shopping and returns with specific brands he knows I like, or he'll set a reminder on the TV for program's he knows I like that haven't noticed are on so I don't miss it, those type of things have more value to me than him rushing out to buy something just because it's a certain date.

I've sent flowers to men before.

I buy myself flowers too (no one else does.) I got £10 of hyacinths for £1 in M&S at the end of last week, and the smell of them is almost overpowering - but great.

i like getting flowers, they make the house look and smell nice - sometimes dp will get them for my birthday or anniversary but i don't expect it and it's always a nice surprise - it's less "for me" than it is something to decorate the house iyswim. i'll also will buy flowers for the house from time to time and i grow them to cut too. dp always likes it when there are flowers in the house. i think it was both aspects that confused him - women don't often send men flowers and i hadn't sent him flowers before and until he read the card he thought they were for me!