The feminist response to this Lidl Valentine Special?

I made the comment that LIDL doesn't have infinite space to stock every colour of every item. I forgot I had worded it as such, and thought you were referencing a comment someone else made, which when I checked back wasn't infinite space, but the limitless of the internet

I linked to the pictures just to show that there was a range of different coloured tools. I apologise I didn't link to specific places that they were for sale. I assumed the fact that they existed meant that they were presumably available for sale.

That's all. That's my opinion. I've been trying to respond to anything being asked of me but I think I'll leave it there because it's derailing the OPs thread and we aren't going to 'get anywhere'.

Oh, I did!

I didn't make any remarks about infinite space.

I think that a man probably would.

Reversing the situation I don't think a woman would be derided for using a black screwdriver.

The arsey part was dropping links to pictures of things on the internet (only one of which seems to actually be for sale) with a remark about "infinite space". Like "gotcha! you're all wrong".

I'm not actually sure if you have a different opinion. You don't really seem to have an opinion apart from "nothing to see here".

But because he can buy a pink one if he wants then that's not sexist.

? I think?

So as long as options are available then marketing some things at one sex and others at another - and possibly deriding a sex for using or doing something that is "not for them" - is not a problem?

Or is it?

I think that a man would be derided for using a pink screwdriver in most situations.

And that's why I wanted to clarify. Because it's a ridiculous notion. But I'm not going to make assumptions on what you think or mean, based on a handful of posts you've made.

I don't think sexist messages around consumer products are acceptable. But I don't think a pink screwdriver is sexist. I absolutely would if I were forced to buy a pink screwdriver if I wanted a black one instead.

You thought someone posting the things that I have (ie feminist perspective) in conversation with you on this FWR thread might be asserting that boys are naturally better at some school subjects and girls at others?

I don't know whether to laugh or cry! Are you serious?

I suppose the only other thing would be that girls dominate some subjects as they are just better at them and boys are just better at others and so dominate those subjects but I thought it unlikely that you thought I might mean that! That is what I thought you could alternatively have meant, which is why I wanted to clarify.

But there is "free choice" between the subjects and so from your perspective the massive disparity in numbers is "nothing to see here"? Or would you think it useful to try and find out why etc? You are incorrectly extrapolating my perspective on a pink power tool and applying it to this scenario.

My toolset is orange. This pink wouldn't go with it at all.

I'm interested!

But this is by the by isn't it.

I am very much of the view that we are all social beasts and society has very strong messages that it inculcates from a very young age and some of these messages are based around sex.

You seem to agree with the social beasts & society message thing, but not when it comes to messages around what people should do / like based on their sex? There are a few options there:

1. A belief that men and women are innately different and therefore the differences in things that they do / like are "natural" and the things marketed to them simply reflects that
2. A view that sexist messages around consumer products are not generally absorbed by the population and so it doesn't matter
3. That as long as there are other options, that counteracts any strong messages to do one thing or another

I think that's all the options?

I'm always amazed when people jump into threads with totally arsey posts then get all fragile and thin-skinned because they don't feel people are sufficiently interested in their views. Do you do that in real life?

I don't mind if you're not interested in my opinion. I just don't see why, if I'm being asked to explain my opinion, that there's any point writing it if no ones interested anyway. I don't think that makes me fragile or thin skinned.

But there is "free choice" between the subjects and so from your perspective the massive disparity in numbers is "nothing to see here"? Or would you think it useful to try and find out why etc?

Yeah I was wondering what else I could have meant though when saying some subjects were more female dominated etc as I couldn't think of another thing that I could have meant.

I suppose the only other thing would be that girls dominate some subjects as they are just better at them and boys are just better at others and so dominate those subjects but I thought it unlikely that you thought I might mean that!

arsenic arsey even. Bloody autocorrect.

I'm arsenic because I hold a different opinion?

So the pink screwdriver isn't a genuine free choice? Because it's a consumer item & thus advertising influence etc?

Or have I misunderstood.

I have the choice to buy it or not. That's a free choice.

If I were in a country where only pink screwdrivers were available, that wouldn't be a genuine free choice.

I'm always amazed when people jump into threads with totally arsey posts then get all fragile and thin-skinned because they don't feel people are sufficiently interested in their views. Do you do that in real life?

That "what else would I mean" was meant to be highlighted as a statement you'd made that I was responding to.

What else would I mean?

Why are you being snippy because I wanted to clarifiy that I understood something before I took the time to respond if I'd misunderstood you?

Is there much point in me responding as you don't seem to be interested in my response. I'm aware we have differing opinions on pink power tools and that therefore on that issue I get the feeling you think my opinion is wrong.

OP asked for a response, and I gave mine.

So the pink screwdriver isn't a genuine free choice? Because it's a consumer item & thus advertising influence etc?

Or have I misunderstood.