Changes in how rape will be investigated- about time!

BuffytheThunderLizard'

Perhaps you missed the humour in my reply in your haste to correct my use of grammar.

I wasn't correcting the grammatical formation of the expression only the use of the expression itself as it seemed to me to suggest, humorously so, that men give women a good talking to, rather than an intimate 'talking with'.

I hope that clarifies my written comments.

GibberingFlapdoodle,

'If men who can't understand that women are humans too are put off from sexual predation of any kind, this is a good thing!'

The 'men' who cant, don't, or wont understand correct sexual relationships are highly unlikely to have had their minds changed by the law of whatever kind. Therefore it doesn't affect them and will not change their behaviour.

Generally the assumption seems to be that the perpetrators are only male gendered when of course we all know plenty of cases where women have been convicted of these types of sexual offences.

Anyway let me stick to the point. When the marriage exemption for rape was removed some people were not happy, women were being given too much power and would abuse it and falsely claim rape against their husbands out of bitterness or to ensure custody of children. Guess what. It never happened. Just as these new guidelines are not going to lead to hundreds of innocent men being convicted.

It would seem that the percentage of marriages declined considerably in the uk

Well what is the point in getting married if you can't rape your wife!

Marriage has been declining since the 70s, long before rape in marriage became illegal. At the same time the number of couples cohabiting has increased, so men are not steering clear of women in fear of us crying rape.

And again, why exactly is this a problem?? If men who can't understand that women are humans too are put off from sexual predation of any kind, this is a good thing!

We can all manage a great deal better without them, thank you very much. Shame they aren't all put off, but gift horse and all that.

ThatsNotMyNorman,

'Well I think men are right to be worried, after all look what happened after rape in marriage was made a crime'

It would seem that the percentage of marriages declined considerably in the uk

Yes, I was having trouble working that one out!

fairy

I don't think that you should critique anyone's post when the last paragraph of your post at 16:40 makes no sense whatsoever

ChunkyPickle,

'I can't speak for men..........I'm pretty sure that most men don't feel that the only woman worth talking to is one they can have sex with as well!'

Regardless, I hope you mean talking 'with' otherwise that might be a boring one-sided conversation.

It would also be interesting to know what reasons (apart from fidelity) that you think men shouldn't think that they can 'have sex' or make love with a woman after/as they are chatting with them, when the woman wants to be intimate as well.

BreakingDad: What epidemic? That's exactly my point . After all those warnings about how women couldn't be trusted too.

YY, what Rufus said. I really don't understand the problem. Men are actually going to have to talk to the women they want to fuck, perhaps make themselves pleasant, interesting, and in some way attractive in fact, instead of just assuming they have a right to fuck anything that moves. Why is this a problem for you?

yes I think FFF thinks all the men will "go gay" if they can't perhaps maybe rape someone if it takes their fancy.

Well men who don't know what consent is and isn't are more then welcome to move away from me (a woman).

I do not consider it a loss. I'm more than happy to hang out with the guys who are capable of knowing what IS consent and what actually isn't consent at all.

Thatsnotmynorman - well I thought the laws as they were were pretty clear on what is and isn't rape but there are pitiful numbers of people coming forward and or being prosecuted.

What epidemic???

Fairlyfairforall - dont get where you are going with your thread - you mean they will go play football, go down pub or solitary play their pc or go gay????

fairy

My husband is a very decent man

He is not at all concerned with this change

Mainly because he is not a fucking idiot

I do hope that puts your mind at risk...

OK, Let's assume you're correct, and there will be some men who are so incapable of understanding when women are happy having sex with them that they will get nervous and stay away from women.

Sounds like a good thing to me. Win win.

Much much better than a bloke who doesn't understand that kicking, screaming and shouting 'no' means women don't want sex continually hanging around us, no?

I can't speak for men, but as a woman, I often spend time with men because I enjoy it - because I like talking to those individuals (be they male or female).

It never occurred to me that I was only supposed to spend my social time with people who had the same genitalia as me, and I'm pretty sure that most men don't feel that the only woman worth talking to is one they can have sex with as well!

DF 'what? you mean to prostitutes so they can abuse them instead?
or to women who don't have the self-esteem to object?' this is your idea not mine it is you that automatically considered men might do this.

I meant just away from women.

You also imply that I was talking about men who rape but I was talking about the normal good individual man.

Generally men do not have to spend their social time with women so therefore the question is why would they?

Well I think men are right to be worried, after all look what happened after rape in marriage was made a crime. We were warned that it would trigger an epidemic of false claims by bitter twisted women. Just look at what happened . I predict that this injustice to men will happen all over again .

Fairly, dear, it's very very simple. Even for you to understand, steeped as you are in deplorable rape myths.

If you're not 100% sure that the person you're about to penetrate is 100% capable of giving consent, and is 100% giving consent, don't stick your penis into her.

That way, no one gets accused of anything, and, far more importantly, no women are raped.

See how lovely the world can be when you're not stupid enough to believe what MRE twatbadgers tell you about rape? There. A calming cup of tea might be in order now, yes?

Fairlyfairforall - is this a real woman and not a MRA guy?

Wasn't there also this misplaced male nut-clutching (trying to think of pearl clutching equivalent) back in the 90's? 2000's? about consent and people saying they would need to have consent forms on their bedsides?

I though the "bu....bu.....but false claims ruining people" seem to be the very rare high profile stalker cases being mis-used as 'proof'

So women who are raped aren't decent? Or is it just the women on this thread?

"what matters is that now the possibility of being falsely charged seems to be much more likely." Actually no that isn't what matters (and that isn't going to happen anyway). What matters is that men stop thinking they are entitled to penetrate women and stop raping them. It isn't hard to gain consent. It isn't hard to know when consent has been given. Anyone who says it is lying and a little bit rapey. Oh and they are misogynists who think women lie.

"Some I know have been falsely accused and it is hell for them." They probably haven't been falsely accused. You may want to think about that.