Changes in how rape will be investigated- about time!

Obvs, my last was in response to Petula.

More coffee!

Think I might be as well.

the other way round. you know what i mean

I don't give a damn about the potentially declining demographic of a society that requires women to be available as sex objects at all times to anyone no matter how they feel. If that's its modus operandi it deserves to die. Society is not more important than the people within it. The particular economic model requiring such behaviour is most definitely not more important than the people it is consuming.

Definitely not a good reason to worry in any way about male sexual predators being pushed away from women, no matter how many words you use to re-state that case.

"Is that what happens if men can't be arsed to find out if the woman they are proposing to penetrate is consenting to it? Dystopia, nuclear explosions and shit?"

i'm prepared to take the risk

PetulaGordino

I fail to understand how more women will gain justice If the defendant lies or the accuser lies.

i expect this is what is meant when feminists are encouraged to be logical

Did it end in apes learning to speak and Charlton Heston nearly saying a bad word?

Is that what happens if men can't be arsed to find out if the woman they are proposing to penetrate is consenting to it? Dystopia, nuclear explosions and shit?

Can't say that people having fewer babies is a bad thing though, what with huge overcrowding problems on the planet. We could maybe import people from China or India to make up the shortfall.

PetulaGordino

'all these people fretting about innocent men going to gaol, when the new guidelines won't in the least bit affect innocent men'

or the guilty but the point is the fear of an accusation not the misapplication of the law because that can already exist.

It is however one negative from a long list of them.

aha, so more women getting justice = the economy crashes

Wow - from that last paragraph we have the end of civilisation as we know it, and all from the fact that men are going to be asked "how did you know she consented?"

Who'd a thunk it.

PuffinsAreFictitious

You're so right, I mean correct :)

BuffytheThunderLizard

'but in the UK such acts are not rape, rather they are assault'

Yes indeed which is why I typed 'these types of sexual offences' rather than stating rape as the offence. What you described is serious sexual assault and it was that that I think I was accurately referring to.

However I suggest the victims of serious sexual assault would deem their experience no less horrifying than rape. Therefore my meaning is clear regarding the culturally endemic bias or lack of awareness and knowledge of these acts and their perpetrators.

Obviously the more complex reasons for lack of consent give rise to doubts as to whether or not normal consent has truly been given. For example your new partner earns more than you. Are they therefore manipulating you to the point where consent cannot be given? At what wage gap does this apply? Is there a quantity banding table linked to the cpi index? Questions like these begin to construct a negative framework around a relationship which must be dealt with, unless one is ignorant, and contributes to the increasing negative load of reasons for men (I think) especially not to risk a relationship with a female partner. It is the cumulative effect that is pushing men away from taking that risk. The situation, as this new legal guidance proves, is getting worse for the confidence of the partner taking the risk with their livelihood.

This may not matter on the individual scale of the person but as macro levers, changing the way men behave away from the desire to risk a relationship. This doesn't benefit the growth of society because it delays child bearing. Fewer children equals demographic decline and that in turn results in economic stagnation or deflation. The downward spiral of poverty despair and emigration are the result.

all these people fretting about innocent men going to gaol, when the new guidelines won't in the least bit affect innocent men

I think he means hysterical... as in the Greek.

AKnickerfulOfMenace,

'Fairly, how do you get out of bed in the mornings without circumlocuting yourself right back in?'

With intermittent bouts of hilarity.

Fairly, how do you get out of bed in the mornings without circumlocuting yourself right back in?

BuffytheThunderLizard

'your condescension in picking on Chunky's wording'

If you mean in the ancient meaning of the word (circa 18th century) perhaps but with regard to the words modern meaning I was sure I wasn't being condescending. Thinking that I was perhaps being condescending in this case is only possible as a subjective opinion, in my opinion.

"I find it difficult to believe that your witty sarcastic comments emanate from a mind unable to formulate other ways to commit the aforementioned acts without said unique male physical quality"

Buffy, if you look really closely, I think our visitor just paid you a compliment...

BuffytheThunderLizard

'Yes, lots and lots of women convicted of penetrating others with their penises when they don't have consent'

I find it difficult to believe that your witty sarcastic comments emanate from a mind unable to formulate other ways to commit the aforementioned acts without said unique male physical quality.

I liked the guy from the other day who was promising not to hang around women way more than this new one. He was funnier. And bizarrely, better at grammar.