Changes in how rape will be investigated- about time!

@ Rufus...

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear

When god gave out brains

A troll thought he said trains

And asked for a small slow one...

See what I've been reduced to!!!

That was not stated by me at least perhaps you should read more carefully

When I pointed out that making rape in marriage illegal did not result in the predicted torrent of false allegations your response was marriage had declined. So what did you mean by that? Either that the removal of the marriage exemption caused a decrease in marriage or that only a small year on year decline in marriage somehow disguises those constant false rape allegations from bitter women?

puffins

I did mean at the start I'm just too gob smacked to string a coherent sentence together

Troll asserts X.

Poster laughs at troll asserting X.

Troll says "I never said X".

Like you say, Rufus, how does he find his own bum in order to wipe it?

Women! Prepare to be raped or the institution of marriage will deteriorate! Economic collapse will ensue!!!

Honestly. What bullshit is this?

Stopping men raping us will not affect the birthrate, or the economy, you ignoramus. Even if it did, it would be for good enough reason.

Women are not there to be raped. Men are quite capable of knowing when a woman consents, and if they're not, they need to learn, quickly. A clue, for eg. If you just met her in a nightclub, she's falling over drunk, separated from her friends, and you have virtually carry her out:- Not a good idea to shag her.

fairly - no worries. What you missed was her post - have a read of it. It was good, I thought, and well explained.

well exactly puffins

the idea that women are all gagging to have relationships with men who worry that they are going to be accused of rape...

Yep, that's about the size of it, puffins.

Rufus, he's already admitted to being a man, but I get your point

JeanneDeMontbaston

'fairly, I think you're mistaken - puffins is speaking sense here, and you'd do well to learn from her'

I'd be obliged if you would clarify what you mean I may have missed what was written. Thanks.

Oh my giddy aunt...

How do people this stupid function...

I mean it...I'm really worried...how do they cross roads and wipe their own bums

And why pretend to be a woman...what's wrong with you???

Yup, the only men likely to be unable to continue to have the same relationships as they had before will be rapists, and, let's be honest here, who gives a shit how they feel about anything?

The whole, pearl clutching about the poor men who will go gay, or whatever it is they are supposed to go when they go off women, is a complete logical dead end.

LurcioAgain

'Wow - so making rape within marriage illegal has directly led to a decline in marriage'

That was not stated by me at least perhaps you should read more carefully

I've got to say, too ... is it me, or is this new change likely to make it easier for men to have relationships?

After all, it will make gender relations more equal.

It may make it harder for rapists to have relationships, but ordinary men? I think it will actually be much better for them. The less rape, the more healthy relationships.

Yy Grimble, budding fantasy authors take note!

fairly, I think you're mistaken - puffins is speaking sense here, and you'd do well to learn from her.

GibberingFlapdoodle

'I don't give a damn about the potentially declining demographic of a society that requires women to be available as sex objects at all times to anyone no matter how they feel. If that's its modus operandi it deserves to die. Society is not more important than the people within it. The particular economic model requiring such behaviour is most definitely not more important than the people it is consuming.

Definitely not a good reason to worry in any way about male sexual predators being pushed away from women, no matter how many words you use to re-state that case'.

You've entirely conflated two subjects in error. Individual liberty and protection with macro demographic and economic effects. Neither of the two I suggested needed to depend upon the other in a negative format. The discouragement of men to partner women has nothing to do with protection of persons from rape and is a different subject entirely that I discussed earlier. I think you might have assumed I mean or implied that when I did not. So feel at ease please.

No grimble, just wandered 'under the bridge' with someone who sadly, really doesn't understand what they're talking about.

Wow - so making rape within marriage illegal has directly led to a decline in marriage? We get some pretty thick visitors here, but this one stands out among the crowd as unusually thick, which is, I suppose, in its way quite an achievement.

I think I've just wandered into a parallel universe.

Fgs. "Man having relationship saves the planet!" And there's me thinking we need to use less oil or something. A day where you've learned something is never wasted.

PuffinsAreFictitious

'Can't say that people having fewer babies is a bad thing though, what with huge overcrowding problems on the planet. We could maybe import people from China or India to make up the shortfall'

Unfortunately your conclusion is incorrect. In only a few short decades Japan will have a demographic crisis and be bankrupt because of it's ageing population leading to a perpetual exodus of people from that nation. The same will apply in Europe as the population increase needed to continue economic expansion is hundreds of millions of people short.

China has had and continues to have a low replacement policy and cannot close the gap in time for itself let alone other countries.

Ultimately the more barriers there are for men to have relationships, for example lack of monetary prowess, the quicker demographic and economic collapse occurs. That is why people talk of the 'baby boomer' generation as the last economic positive ie good pensions secure jobs etc.

what gibbering said

we know what it is like living in a world where men's sexual gratification is prioritised above genuine, freely-given consent. it's pretty shit.

I have been reading about trauma, and changing attitudes towards it, today.

Apparently, whenever society shifts from regarding some kind of horrific oppression as acceptable, to seeing it as unacceptable, you will always find people (often those who either have vested interests, or who are perhaps conservative or unthinking by nature) who cannot process the change, and fall back on flawed analogies in an attempt to justify it. It's a typical process, unfortunately.