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Who to vote for as a feminist

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WorkingBling · 20/01/2015 11:27

I am really struggling ahead of the elections. I have decided that commitment to feminist principals needs to be a strong part of my voting decision making process. But I honestly am not sure this helps.

Lib dems have terrible track record and while I like nick's wife, I can't vote for a party where there's only one woman I am impressed by.

Instinctively i am more of a labour supporter but with the exception of Harriet H I honestly feel underwhelmed by their female representation and view on women.

This leaves the conservatives. There are a number of woman in the party who impress me. But Dave doesn't strike me as a man who really believes in feminist principals.

Help please. All you lovely informed women must have some thoughts.

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Lioninthesun · 25/01/2015 17:52

This link has clear and in depth policies policy.greenparty.org.uk/culture,-media-and-sports.html

I particularly like this one so far; CMS681 Advertising to Children. Unsustainable economic growth is highly influenced by a culture of consumption. This culture is currently engendered in children and young people by advertising, particularly on television. Children must be protected from unscrupulous marketing and aggressive advertising. A Green government would strengthen regulation of advertising in media that may be viewed by children, and of products intended for consumption by children, to ensure that they are factual and informative and not manipulative.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 25/01/2015 17:35

Yes BeCool, because it is anti-feminist and anti-woman. Sad

didyouwritethe · 25/01/2015 17:30

I can't see anything at all in the first manifesto Lion linked to about legalising prostitution.

Is it a very new policy?

BeCool · 25/01/2015 17:23

My personal experience with the nz model has been women with less education and earned potential have unhappily been drawn into prostitution as it has become a legitimate occupational choice.

It's always been to their overall detriment and hardship. I believe this route to be essentially anti feminist.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 25/01/2015 17:13

lol, no worries Lion, thanks for looking for me.

A lot of their policies really chime with me. I am a bit of a closet tree hugger, bit of a leftie, but what informs my life and my thinking most is feminism and sisterhood iyswim?

robin4 · 25/01/2015 17:08

Lab/Green would look good. They both certainly have good equality policies, but would the vote 'against' the current government be split?

Lioninthesun · 25/01/2015 17:08

Argh sorry, not helping much here, that was for the Euro elections.

Lioninthesun · 25/01/2015 17:07

Sorry, here's the latest one! greenparty.org.uk/assets/files/European%20Manifesto%202014.pdf

PuffinsAreFictitious · 25/01/2015 17:04

I have no problem with taxing the super rich more. Sharing the wealth is a good thing. I get that it's pie in the sky stuff, but also aspirational. Akin to a "If I ruled the world" type debate.

Lioninthesun · 25/01/2015 17:01

The only paragraph you need to read to see their spin on it is The Eton Mess one. That and the tax on 'presents' will be why the elite don't want it. The whole idea is to share the wealth more by taxing the super rich far more than they currently are.
The idea they will be able to put all of these changes in place immediately even if they did win is a little odd. I don't think the present coalition have done too much of what they said in their manifestos, so I doubt it would be as dramatic as that journo implies.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 25/01/2015 16:57

Oh, it's from the last election. I'll wait til they release their new one then. Thanks though Smile

PuffinsAreFictitious · 25/01/2015 16:57

Will do, thanks Lion

PhaedraIsMyName · 25/01/2015 16:54

I imagine The Telegraph has put the worst possible spin on it but even allowing for that we will have to agree to disagree on it making a lot of sense.

didyouwritethe · 25/01/2015 16:50

Well, that's the Torygraph's take on their plan. Bit different. Honestly, look at the link I posted.

Lioninthesun · 25/01/2015 16:50

Or you could read the manifesto itself... www.greenparty.org.uk/assets/files/resources/Manifesto_web_file.pdf

PuffinsAreFictitious · 25/01/2015 16:45

Green Party "Plan"

Not sure if it quotes their actual manifesto. Apart from the obviously misogynist bits, it does make a lot of sense. However, those bits seem central for them.

didyouwritethe · 25/01/2015 16:43

How feasible would a Lab/Green coalition be?

robin4 · 25/01/2015 16:43

The party I see promoting equality and did a lot for equality when they were in is the Labour party.

PhaedraIsMyName · 25/01/2015 16:40

The Lib Dems face a wipe out so I doubt a coalition with The Greens would have any effect on who is running the country.

PetulaGordino · 25/01/2015 16:39

what do you mean by standing alone as a group? women are an identifiable group and our society is based in many ways on that identification - it's one of the first things people want to know when a baby is born, boy or girl, what category does it fall into

the fact that not all women are the same or have the same desires or needs is an important thing that society is in many ways not set up to handle. and that in itself is something that unifies women as a group in terms of consideration of whether a party's policies would benefit women

PhaedraIsMyName · 25/01/2015 16:37

This thread took a very odd turn after fayyive's post.

I'm also not sure if fay meant to say "liberal" or "libertarian" . I haven't read The Green manifesto but if fay is reporting it accurately re prostitution that is a libertarian agenda , not a liberal one.

didyouwritethe · 25/01/2015 16:37

Sorry, "would it be ..."

didyouwritethe · 25/01/2015 16:35

Of course the US has its own view of which party is led by a doofus.

Would a coalition of LibDems and Greens being numerically feasible under any circs? Disclaimer: not saying anything about anything contentious. Just asking.

PhaedraIsMyName · 25/01/2015 16:33

No I don't think women can truly stand alone as a group. I'm basically liberal with a small "l" on social/ sexual politics (which is a pretty mainstream view) and probably just left of centre on economic issues.

There may be some issues where I will have a common viewpoint with women further to the left than me but there will be others we will never agree on.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 25/01/2015 16:28

I don't think anyone here thinks that UKIP are any good for anything, except pointing and laughing at in a particularly childish way. Their misogynist policies are manifold, most of their candidates and MEPs seem to be the "toast John Bull, may he keep our factories full" type of weirdo and their leader is a pillock.

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