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Feminist Pub 16: where the Bluestockings develop armoured stockings to deal with the thousand paper cuts

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FibonacciSeries · 14/01/2015 12:39

Carry on.

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YonicScrewdriver · 26/01/2015 20:22

Pretty good, bit overcommitted at work so got to juggle!

LRDtheFeministDragon · 26/01/2015 20:18

Cross post.

Hi, yonic. Smile How are you?

LRDtheFeministDragon · 26/01/2015 20:18

Btw, I just wanted to link to this: www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/22/john-bayley

It's John Bayley's obituary, which is sad, but I am fascinated that I think it is the first I've read that really writes up a man as 'the spouse'.

YonicScrewdriver · 26/01/2015 20:18

hiya LRD.

Sitting next to DS making him do his homework. It's a theme.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 26/01/2015 20:16

Good luck, dragon. A small Wine to go with the report-writing?

Dragonlette · 26/01/2015 20:14

Neither do I Buffy, neither do I. Unfortunately, homework is not optional Sad I still have about 30 reports to write because I just spend too long on each one, and they have to be done and handed in on Wednesday Sad Sad

LRDtheFeministDragon · 26/01/2015 20:13

Hi everyone. Sorry, I'm being a pain and dropping into the pub after not contributing much. But, I'm needing the pub a bit.

kickass, I liked that too - BSG is really interesting on gender.

annie - is it maybe post-PhD slump? Most people get that.

buffy - your DD rocks. Grin

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 26/01/2015 18:22

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BreakingDad77 · 26/01/2015 16:19

Is interesting as reminds me in my line of work with regards to 'Engineer' its been cheapened in the UK but around the world can mean either sex, and just means you have followed degree study into this field and is actually held in some regard.

AnnieLobeseder · 26/01/2015 15:44

IIRC, the same applied in Elizabeth Moon's Serrano Legacy books (which are amazing) - all officers are "sir" no matter what sex.

That is all my brain can manage to contribute at the moment. I am feeling very intellectually flat. Probably from having been out of work too long. My brain is atrophying. Oh dear.

kickassangel · 26/01/2015 15:39

i liked in Battlestar Galactica that Sir was used for anyone in authority. It ceased to be a male form of address, and became the way to address a commanding officer.

In the US, Bitch is way harsher, totally not Ok as a general word, which is why I was surprised it's been played ona record - it's always been blanked out before.

UptoapointLordCopper · 26/01/2015 15:02

I disapprove of using the word "bitch" except in describing female dogs. > In fact, just "dog" would do. > Grin

Urban dictionary thinks words related to "prud" include "slut", "whore" and "moby dicked". Shock Never heard of moby dicked. Hmm

I've been addressed as "Dear Sir" a few times, despite having a picture on my home page. And I really don't look like a man.

YonicScrewdriver · 26/01/2015 14:24

I imagine the telegraph corrects them to house style - I'm sure some people write "dear mr x" or whatever.

PetulaGordino · 26/01/2015 14:24

it's probably stylistic - i don't know whether the correspondents would have written that or not but it may well be the way they present them in print. so it sort of doesn't matter whether the letter-writer knows or assumes male or female editor, the change is probably made anyway

private eye do the same so it comes across as mocking a rather pompous style

i had a quick look at the online letters to the london evening standard (the only paper with a female EIC that i can think of) and that doesn't start with any sort of address, it just launches into the letter

BreakingDad77 · 26/01/2015 14:13

Was looking at the Telegraph letters (are not a normal reader) from a google search and noticed they are all addressed "Sir". Is that because they know the editor is a man or assumed?

PumpinPieWithIceCream · 26/01/2015 14:07

Kickass, I think bitch has been "acceptable" for a fairly long while. Remember the Meridith Brooks song? That's coming up to 20 years now. Don't think I've noticed shit get used on the radio though.

DemisRoussos · 26/01/2015 13:54
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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 26/01/2015 13:41

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DemisRoussos · 26/01/2015 13:35

I'm going to be kicked out of the pub after that admission, aren't I?!

DemisRoussos · 26/01/2015 13:33

So have I. I think it's my brain's way of telling me to stop thinking and go and watch Gossip Girl.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 26/01/2015 13:18

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EBearhug · 26/01/2015 01:59

I heard "cunt" on a programme the other day - that quite shocked me.

kickassangel · 25/01/2015 23:04

I'm actually quite surprised that "shit" appears to be radio friendly now. I remember "crap" first appearing on daytime TV, and noticing that obviously it had been downgraded. Now songs with "shit" and "bitch" (a much less acceptable word in the US, it's more like saying fuck" are played in full. Also, instead of the entire word being blanked out, I now hear "sh**" so that it's really obvious what word should be in there.

I don't actually mind swearing. I just wish that if society was going to invent good and bad words, and rules about when they can be used, that they would stick to them. Now I have to decide which songs get the OK for a school dance and which ones don't, and I'm quite confused. The kids are age 10 - 14 so quite a broad range of what parents would see as acceptable as well.