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MoominKoalaAndMiniMoom · 07/01/2015 20:41

A few months ago I posted, asking about feminism and making some generalisations, assumptions and the tired old 'we don't need feminism anymore ' got rolled out.

You all gave me a kick up the backside and told me to read about feminism. I did so, and it's revolutionised the way I think. I can't believe I insisted that we are treated fairly and equally. I'm reading Everyday Sexism at the moment and I've cried at bits, the inequality and pain that women have had to endure and the doors slammed in our faces on the basis of our sex.

Thank you for opening my eyes to the truth.

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MorrisZapp · 07/01/2015 21:57

That Facebook page is a joke. Most of the contributors are religious and conservative, or obviously confused about what feminism actually is. Or they think that because somebody was once unpleasant to them and was a feminist, that means all feminists are unpleasant.

Bunch of grinning man pleasers, the lot of them.

Enormouse · 07/01/2015 21:53

zina if we assume there to be 3 billion women in the entire world, the number of women against feminism works out to be about 0.001% of the female population.

cogitosum · 07/01/2015 21:51

Sorry misread your post.
Believing women should have equal rights to men is feminisn though. And the choice to be a sahm etc is something most feminists support.

GraysAnalogy · 07/01/2015 21:51

zinafaw I'm aware of all the reasons why there are women like myself who don't identify with 'third wave feminism' but to be honest this forum is one of the only places I can come to and get some sense regarding it.

I feel a lot of women are turning away from it because there are a lot of misandrists falsely waving the feminist banner

TheCowThatLaughs · 07/01/2015 21:51

My son is certainly not a stupid Neanderthal pig, I'm glad to say

Dervel · 07/01/2015 21:51

zinafaw I think, -and I'm saying this as kindly as I can- you have mental image of what a feminist is that doesn't match up with the reality.

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MoominKoalaAndMiniMoom · 07/01/2015 21:49

Reading that page has only made me more secure in identifying as a feminist. I realise now that I was conditioned to see feminism as a 'victim identity'. When actually, pages like that prove that we need feminism right now as much as we ever have.

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PuffinsAreFictitious · 07/01/2015 21:49

I prefer the @NoToFeminism thing on Twitter.

I'm just a man. Men are stupid simpleton Neanderthal pigs, right? Women are wayyy superior regarding intelligence, wisdom and everything that isn't physical strength (which is a nasty male macho trait anyway).

Says no feminist.

Maybe if, instead of reading what people think feminists say, and actually reading what they do say, you'd have a much less warped view of your own sex. And ours.

GraysAnalogy · 07/01/2015 21:48

Really good to read this. The first time I posted here I explained that I don't identify as a feminist, for reasons I explained (simplified, my experiences in 'real life' with modern feminists haven't been pleasant), but I do enjoy talking and debating with people on here. A lot of sense is spoken.

HazleNutt · 07/01/2015 21:47

Confused Cats Against Feminism site makes more sense.

TheCowThatLaughs · 07/01/2015 21:46

Im familiar with arguments against feminism, but having read about the subject, I've come to the conclusion that I am a feminist. What do you think I could learn from that page?

AskBasil4StuffingRecipe · 07/01/2015 21:44

Welcome to the coven.

zinafaw · 07/01/2015 21:43

HazleNutt · 07/01/2015 21:43

I read the 'arguments' on the site. Like that 'But I want to be a stay at home mum!!'
Well great. What's the problem with feminism?

zinafaw · 07/01/2015 21:42

"He's come to explain things to the feminists!"

Don't take my word for it, try listening to the 30,000 (and counting) on the Women Against Feminism FB page:

www.facebook.com/WomenAgainstFeminism

TheCowThatLaughs · 07/01/2015 21:42

Why not zinafaw?

TheCowThatLaughs · 07/01/2015 21:41

No zinafaw's a man! He's come to explain things to the feminists!

zinafaw · 07/01/2015 21:41

Of course I believe women should have equal rights to men. And for that matter also for people to have the same rights regardless of ethnicity/sexual orientation/disability etc.

But I'm not a feminist.

cogitosum · 07/01/2015 21:36

Zinafawnjust to confirm you're a woman? And you don't believe women should have equal rights to men?

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MoominKoalaAndMiniMoom · 07/01/2015 21:34

zina I just said it has nothing to do with your genitalia.

I don't hate men. I'm engaged to one. I'm friends with many. I listen to their views and care about what they think.

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OutsSelf · 07/01/2015 21:33

It's definitely not that you have a penis, some of my best friends have them. Honestly, it's that you're full of shit. Plenty of women are too, if that's your concern.

TheFantasticFixit · 07/01/2015 21:32

Zinafaw: male or not, that page is an absolute load of utter disgraceful shit.

OutsSelf · 07/01/2015 21:30

It's not that we don't care what you or they think, it's that we think they are wrong and frequently misinterpret the entailments of patriarchal ideology - for example that men aren't able to look after children - as misandry and the fault of feminism. Or that pointing out the statistics for gender based violence is adopting a position of "victimisation"

zinafaw · 07/01/2015 21:30

Yup, you choose who to listen to going by what they have or don't have between their legs.

So much for "equality"

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MoominKoalaAndMiniMoom · 07/01/2015 21:28

"I'm male and I know feminists don't care what men think"

I don't care what you think. It has nothing to do with your genitalia and everything to do with the rubbish you're posting.

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