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MoominKoalaAndMiniMoom · 07/01/2015 20:41

A few months ago I posted, asking about feminism and making some generalisations, assumptions and the tired old 'we don't need feminism anymore ' got rolled out.

You all gave me a kick up the backside and told me to read about feminism. I did so, and it's revolutionised the way I think. I can't believe I insisted that we are treated fairly and equally. I'm reading Everyday Sexism at the moment and I've cried at bits, the inequality and pain that women have had to endure and the doors slammed in our faces on the basis of our sex.

Thank you for opening my eyes to the truth.

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GilbertBlytheWouldGetIt · 08/01/2015 09:36

sigh

Z isn't reading the responses, due to fear of ingrained beliefs being challenged.

Sorry your thread got derailed by an MRA, OP, this happens all too often. Depressing.

RufusTheReindeer · 08/01/2015 09:22

Two things I don't really get (actually there are masses but my fingers will get tired typing them)

Do people think that by some weird fluke of nature that feminists only give birth to girls? I have one girl and two boys all of whom I will defend to the death, my husband happens to be fabulous, my dad is fab as well. My brother is a bit of a Pratt (might be a sibling thing) but I luffs him. I don't hate men

And also why is it that if a feminist says something you feel is out of order then all feminists are bad, if a woman says something I don't agree with I don't think that all women think the same thing. If a man says something I don't agree with I don't think all men think the same. Or a doctor, or accountant or anyone really

HazleNutt · 08/01/2015 08:36

Shhh listen. We are being explained what feminism is and what our opinions are.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 07/01/2015 23:54

Zina is a man who just lurves MN so much he can't keep away and just wants to hug and kiss us really. Why else would he keep coming back? Grin

anothernumberone · 07/01/2015 23:25

OP I totally agree with you that this section of Mumsnet has opened my eyes more to feminism and specifically feminist theory.

I had and still have my own brand of feminism but I never really defined myself as a feminist because I too had encountered an admittedly small number of vocal feminists with whom I could not identify. However once I read a lot of links on here and many buries head Wikipedia articles on feminism, various feminists and feminist theory I felt very comfortable that I could happily actually attach the label of feminist to my lapel.

I have also really noticed every day sexism more and more and I am now more inclined to call people out on their comments. It is like letting a genie out of the bottle, things that did not bother you in the past start to bother you more. I must admit though I do pop the genie back into the bottle a lot because I read an article a good while back that said the people who can deal best with the fact that the world is just not a fair place appear to have the happiest lives so I try and often fail to keep that in mind.

I have come to the conclusion that the actually world is set up for a very tiny group of rich, certainly powerful, more often than not misogynistic, conservative, often racist and homophobic men and every one else in the world sits somewhere below them on a fairly bleak continuum with women generally sitting on the lower rungs of this privilege ladder. It makes me realise we are not alone in the struggles that this world offers.

zinafaw you must have very little to do to pass the time if you have to spend your time trawling the websites of the world trying to convert women away from feminism. You might be better perhaps find the people on the rung above you on the world's privilege ladder and challenge them instead.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 07/01/2015 23:22
Grin
grimbletart · 07/01/2015 23:18

Poor old Zinafaw - it's as easy as shooting pigs in a barrel.

grimbletart · 07/01/2015 23:16

Puffins: did you notice it took you precisely 8 minutes to post the sort of advert that Zinafaw says doesn't exist Grin.

8 minutes for him to be caught out in a lie.

Devora · 07/01/2015 23:06

Well, why don't you ask us, zinafaw? Why don't you ask us what we think about (a) false accusations of rape, (b) domestic violence against men, (c) adverts that stereotype men as household bumblers or incompetent fathers, (d) whether we in fact believe that all men are rapists?

Or is it way, way more comfortable to keep on telling us what we think?

TheCowThatLaughs · 07/01/2015 23:02

He's certainly not a particularly good advertisement for not being a feminist, you'd think they'd at least pretend to be a bit reasonable and know a bit about the subject

Alsoflamingo · 07/01/2015 23:02

Anyway - ignoring the cretin - great to read your post Moomin. Well, great in that I'm delighted you've got stuck into the subject and are fired up, but obviously not delighted that society is (still) the way it is.

Alsoflamingo · 07/01/2015 22:59

Is this Zina cretin for real? Presumably a not very funny joke. No one is quite that obtuse. Surely…..

Notmymonkeys · 07/01/2015 22:58

Zinafaw seems a little simple, no?

Thank god my amazing (male) partner, two awesome sons, fantastic father, and all the other super-cool penis-owners in my life are a lot smarter.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 07/01/2015 22:51

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gincamparidryvermouth · 07/01/2015 22:50

yeah right. I call bullshit on this one

Penis simpleton pig rapist?

PuffinsAreFictitious · 07/01/2015 22:50

Nope would never happen. Oh no, hang on......

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gincamparidryvermouth · 07/01/2015 22:49

How about an advert for a small car depicting a man showing a simple-looking woman how to drive and the slogan "so easy to drive even a woman can do it".

Rapist simpleton penis pig?

TheCowThatLaughs · 07/01/2015 22:48

Evidence, zinafaw?

zinafaw · 07/01/2015 22:46

"Feminists do not want anyone to be falsely accused of rape"

yeah right. I call bullshit on this one.

"False accusations are wrong, it just isn't on and anyone convicted of doing so should be punished"- said no feminist ever.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 07/01/2015 22:45

Welcome to the dark side, Hermit, we may have cookies Grin

mrstiggy · 07/01/2015 22:45

zina you know you are confusing feminism with plain ol' man-hating right? The two don't go together. I'm a feminist and I don't hate men. I love a few of them in fact, and like a great deal more. I just want to be considered their equal too.

LittleBlueHermit · 07/01/2015 22:44

Thanks zinifaw You've reminded me how important it is that women like me stand up and advertise themselves as feminists. Too many people buy into the man-hating rubbish.

FTR, I'm a happily married (to a man) SAHM, currently doing my Masters online. I have an equal, respectful relationship. I like dressing up in pretty, swishy dresses. I can speak for myself, but recognise that not all women have that privilege. None of that stops me from being a proud feminist.

zinafaw · 07/01/2015 22:43

"Your anti-women buddies have been spinning you a line, old chap. Stick around"

If you're referring to that FB page, they are against feminism, not women.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 07/01/2015 22:43

trolly mctrollson Grin

And yes. Engaging with people who don't want to engage is a bit daft.

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