If ched evans had raped a man...

Football is insidious. It really is awful.

I think you are right, Yops, sadly.

...do we think he would have been treated differently?

Yes. Being gay is taboo in men's football. Which is odd, because it is out in the open in women's football, and men's rugby, which is far more of an alpha-male type environment, in terms of in-your-face aggression and physical clashes. I think, though, that fans would have more of a problem with him being gay that the fact that he raped someone.

Yy puffins. And are they first turning round and saying "well, men need more access to x service but women need more access to power, influence etc so let's try and get everything in a better balance"

Not in my experience.

Why do people think that men are so incapable of setting up their own refuges and survivor networks? I am genuinely perplexed whenever I see men stating that women don't care about abused men, because there are more spaces for women. Who do they think set up the first, and indeed subsequent refuges? Magic pixies?

Women like Erin Pizzey also puzzle me. She is credited with starting the first women's refuge in the UK, now she writes for the world's largest MRE site, saying that women lie about DV and should be opening refuges for men. It makes no sense.

Last time I looked, the Govt was made up predominantly by men, FTSE100 companies are predominantly run by men, major banks, councils, charities etc, predominantly run by men. According to this wiki page, you have to look down to 25 to find a woman's name on the richest Britons list.

If men have the majority of business experience, charity experience, Governmental experience and money, why are they not funding enough refuge places for men except when they sacrifice spaces for women?

Why do all these high powered, well connected and rich men expect women to do this for their fellow men?

Strange, don't you think?

Men are more likely to report abuse than women. And report quicker and for less abuse than women.

Men can set up their own refuge centres debbriana. It is what women have had to do. And women don't always have a refuge to go to as this report from Women's Aid suggests:

• 9,577 women and 10,117 children were supported during the year through refuge accommodation by responding organisations.
• On the census day (Thursday 27 June 2013) 155 women with 103 children were turned away from the first refuge they approached by responding organisations.
• Over 82,000 women and 14,000 children were supported during the year in non-refuge services.

So that was a random day when 258 people were turned away from refuge initially. 80 out of the 185 services who responded have no dedicated funding. And this is only from those services who responded to the survey.

This is a joke right? If he had raped another man we would not have heard of it. Why? Because most men who are raped or a bused either by women or men don't report it.
This is not taking it away from the amount of women who sit in silence. We all know more women get abused and raped . We also have more refuge centres to turn to if they wanted to when they can. I would not say the same for men. Just because they are dominating in a lot of things does not mean there are no men that surfer. Rape is rape. That is how I see it.

In terms of who would be treated fairly. Most people would have laughed it off. Taken as a joke. It's a different case with young boys.

With women it depends with the media or even the police. It's had to compare because I know there are so many people who had their cases thrown out but then you do have those that the media will believe. I don't know why they do so with some and not others.

This is a joke right? If he had raped another man we would not have heard of it. Why? Because most men who are raped or a bused either by women or men don't report it.
This is not taking it away from the amount of women who sit in silence. We all know more women get abused and raped . We also have more refuge centres to turn to if they wanted to when they can. I would not say the same for men. Just because they are dominating in a lot of things does not mean there are no men that surfer. Rape is rape. That is how I see it.

In terms of who would be treated fairly. Most people would have laughed it off. Taken as a joke. It's a different case with young boys.

With women it depends with the media or even the police. It's had to compare because I know there are so many people who had their cases thrown out but then you do have those that the media will believe. I don't know why they do so with some and not others.

I don't really understand what you mean sausage it's probably me being stupid but could you perhaps reword what you just said so I can give it another go

Well I would guess it would be similar to reporting rape in as much as it wouldn't be reported in the first place. Telegraph article about male/male assault here.

Jesus, I just googled gay rape homosexual to find some statistics about how many men who rape men aren't gay but use rape for violence and domination.

On the first page three of the sites where porn sites called shit like 'rapeporn.com'. No better if you change male for female though.

Anyway, I think he wouldn't be playing again if he was being done for male rape especially if the man was straight, if he was gay it may be a bit more muddled. Though then he wouldn't play as there are no openly gay men in football.

That was to Yonic.

That's true, had forgotten that.

Yes because football is so homophobic

Barbarian, remember the victim went to the police because her handbag was missing and she didn't know what had happened, not because of the rape

Also the rape of a man seems to get treated differently because it's not something we hear much about.

Yes but not just because of the rape, but the gay aspect too.

I agree with Bathtime as to public reaction (unless it was the rape of a gay male in which case no-one would care very much). But I also think that had Chad Evens raped a heterosexual man, that man would never have gone to the police.

In my honest opinion, if CE had raped a man it would never have made the news and the victim would be lucky if it even reached court.

Agree with general consensus.

If he had raped a man the reaction would have been enormously different as homophobia is rife in football. Also that people would have been more likely to see it as rape.

Similarly if he had raped a child people wouldn't be saying poor him snoffair and all the rest of it.

Sad fact is many people don't consider raping women of childbearing age to be anything particularly criminal or remarkable unless or course it is done in combination with some other extreme violence.

Loathe as I am to reply to anything with discuss at the end....

I think if McDonald had taken a man back to the room for sex, Ched would be treated differently, not as a rapist (because it's fine to rape gay men, they aren't people like 'real' men. They are almost like women). But he would be treated differently as a 'gay footballer'. Some would condemn him, some would be falling over themselves to show how tolerant they are and would completely forget the victim.

If McDonald had been a woman and had taken a man back to the room and Ched had turned up and raped him, yes I think it would be treated differently. I think the 'she shouldn't have expected to be playing scrabble' contingent think that a woman's consent to one man equals consent to any random who wants a go, but a man doesn't give consent to randoms by consenting to one woman. I think the idea that you could pull a bird and shag her in a hotel, and a man could legally break in and rape you would be terrifying to men, if they thought about it. How nice for them that they don't have to.

Sorry if that was a prickly reply, OP. There's a certain poster that frequently comes onto the fwr boards and orders us to discuss, without offering any input of his own.

And I agree with BathtimeFunkster.