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The Handmaid's Tale on Radio 4's A Good Read

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rosabud · 03/12/2014 00:17

Just wondered if anyone else heard this being discussed on Radio 4 this afternoon? Basically, 2 guests choose a favourite book, read each other's before the show, and then discuss them( along with the presenter) on air.

Today there were 2 women (the presenter and the guest who chose The Handmaid's Tale) and one man (Sean Lock? An actor apparently) discussing this novel. What I found fascinating was that the male guest kept saying "I didn't get it" and seemed to consider the book as just another dystopian novel which he criticised as "more slow-moving" than Orwell's Nineteen-Eighty-Four. The two female guests discussed the novel from a feminist point of view and how the novel made them realise the precarious nature of equality, how women are oppressed by men in society now and how easily what rights we do have could be taken away from us (as they already have been in other parts of the world.) In response, the male guest said that he thought it was very unrealistic and that most people would not go along with such a scenario and so it couldn't really happen.

It made me realise how the male guest is probably very representative of many men who really "don't get" the big deal about women's oppression, they can't see it all, and it all must seem rather dull when women go on about it.

Did anyone else hear it?

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Homeriliad · 03/12/2014 15:10

@ JapaneseMargaret: I've read THT and thought it was a great book. Obviously everyone has their own interpretations of it, and maybe as a man I can't understand it in the same way as a woman might, but of course I was at least aware of the religious/misogynist themes in the book.

@AnyFucker: I agree!! I support and believe in gender equality and equal rights etc, but I can never describe myself as a feminist because that's not for me to decide. Men can't truly know what it's like to be a woman, and without that knowledge no-one has the right to call themselves feminists.

AnyFucker · 03/12/2014 06:58

This is why my opinion is that even the most feminist-allied and enlightened of men cannot ever be described as feminists

ChunkyPickle · 03/12/2014 06:06

Some elements of it (some of the really scary bits for a woman of reproducing age I think) are happening right now - www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24275373

Surrogate dorms in India.

JapaneseMargaret · 03/12/2014 02:15

Men don't get it. They never truly will. That's the alarming thing, I think. Even the most liberal, forward-thinking, empathetic man in the world won't truly get it without actually being a woman.

EBearhug · 03/12/2014 01:21

Didn't Margaret Atwood say there's nothing in THT which hasn't happened somewhere in the world already?

MrsCakesPrecognition · 03/12/2014 01:13

It simply confirmed my opinion of Sean Lock. The difference between his chosen book and The Handmaids Tale was stark.

venusinscorpio · 03/12/2014 01:08

He only needs to look at the recent history of say, Afghanistan to see how specific elements of this particular fictional universe can happen and how most people did go along with it.

Sean Lock, if it's the guy I'm thinking of is a panel show stand up comedian but not, I think, any great intellectual heavyweight IYKWIM. I will listen to the R4 discussion as I have read the book and seen the film several times but yes I think you have a point about men not really grasping the nature of oppression of women by men and the culture which enables it.