Shia LeBouf rape,sexism at its fineist.

Article discussing the two pieces here

Rhythm O- the piece described upthread by Marina Abramovic is one of my favourite pieces of performance art and Shia Lebouf's piece cannot really be understood (conceptually and artistically) without acknowledging that it directly references Marina's work.

Echoing the poster upthread, Rhythm O was about the relationship between audience, performer, consent, risk and boundaries. It was an important, powerful feminist performance with its power and relevance being located (imo) in the real risk that Marina A took in making the work.

As Shia Lebouf's piece references rips off Rhythm O so directly, I find it really hard to believe that he did not understand the risks inherent in the work- it makes me wonder what he thought his performance was about in the first place.

Its terrible that he feels that he has been raped, or has been raped but this kind of feminist performance work is brutal and political for a reason.

Oh, I've learned loads here. I was very uneducated about feminist stuff for years if iI looked back at some of my early posts I would cringe The "Feminist Pub" thread is a good place to start to get a feel for it.

And anybody that spots the nobbers as quickly as you did is alright

Will do AF.

I will say though I am pre-conditioned. I was brought up in the military and I work in that sector still (at 37). I have only recently found my voice since joining MN so I am still new

Stick around, Flossy

The only people who don't get a sound welcome on "this side" of Mn are people who don't like women or the ones that support them in that.

By the way you have all cheered me up today.

I do not normally frequent this side of MN but Celest's post upset me and caused me to respond. You have all been lovely. Maybe I might look further in to this side of MN.

I reported Cos he's a knob.

Is that enough of an explanation for MNHQ?

Just be sure to keep reporting, folks

*Flossy

lossy, you were pretty restrained, don't give it another thought

You were also entirely correct

Not sure that stating the absolute truth would count as a PA Flossy, anyway, you were merely articulating what others have said, just in more 'earthy' language

Sorry to tarnish the thread with a PA. I know it is bad form.

The bottom of that barrel is getting some damage right now.

King you and I have had our differences, but I just want to apologise that Prashad is using your sexual assault for their own grubby ends. I know what guts it takes to disclose, even though this is an anonymous forum, I also know what it's like to have that disclosure dribbled on by someone with an agenda. Hope you're doing whatever self care you need, that you have someone to talk to irl, or if you don't, I can find someone for you to talk to.

His rape is being minimised by people on this very thread.

Show me where Kings rape was minimized (sorry king). I don't know you prash but having had a nosy I agree with others measure of you. Your a bit of a knob really.

His rape is being minimised by people on this very thread.

King, I'm sorry you were sexually assaulted and that it was minimised by those you told.

I don't need to, Prashad. Most users of this board have your measure now.

I don't recall diminishing anyone's experience of rape, or victim blaming. Got any examples?

I am sorry too king. I believe you

I am sorry that happened to you, King.

How interesting that Prashad is showing some true sympathy here for a man that discloses sexual assault and yet is all over the rest of the site victim-blaming women and diminishing their experiences.

Oh and (last post, honest)

The voices of MRE groups, you know, the ones who constantly derail any discussion of rape by saying that men are raped too are deafening in their silence. It's horrible to see the kind of victim blaming bullshit being turned on yet another person, but interesting that, despite their political agenda MREs are silent, or blame S leB.