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Has someone already posted about Erdogan's comments?

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BlameItOnTheBogey · 24/11/2014 22:25

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30183711

So, Bloody. Depressing.

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UptoapointLordCopper · 26/11/2014 08:49

Sad Angry

TheAwfulDaughter · 26/11/2014 08:20

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UptoapointLordCopper · 26/11/2014 08:18

Of course everyone is happy. If they are not it's because of the feminists. They are evil, I tell you.

GeekLove · 26/11/2014 08:10

But haven't you seen that where men are in charge, everyone is happy and employed and hang on....

UptoapointLordCopper · 26/11/2014 08:00

What are you lot doing here? Go and look after your husband and children! That's proper and respectable in a proper woman. Stop having ideas above your station, like you are a human being.

RufusTheReindeer · 26/11/2014 07:52

Oh gosh bogey you are so right!!!

Wait a minuteHmm are you a woman??

Because if you are you are probably wrong

I should just check with my husband...that's the best thing to do

BlameItOnTheBogey · 26/11/2014 00:20

Rufus - that conundrum is probably troubling your brain because you are a woman? YOu could ask a man to help you figure out the answer?

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NotCitrus · 25/11/2014 23:56

He was the one who said a few months ago that women shouldn't smile so much in public. Cue selfie pictures all over the internet of Turkish women and male friends grinning, with various straplines mostly translating to "Erdogan, you're a tosser!"

rosabud · 25/11/2014 23:26

Probably. And more to the point, he seems to think that womanhood (so to speak!) and motherhood are mutually inclusive conditions.

YonicScrewdriver · 25/11/2014 23:16

Does he think feminism and motherhood are mutually exclusive conditions?

rosabud · 25/11/2014 21:52

Imagine a foreign President announcing that "black people aren't equal to white people." Surely there would be international outrage, the country would have sanctions and cultural boycotts levied against it as South Africa did in the 1970s and 80s. The fact that there is no international condemnation shows that his misogynistic ideas are not considered outrageous by many international governments - who are, of course, largely made up of men. It's so depressing.

And as for the annoyance of a man telling women that they don't understand motherhood; actually he doesn't say "women" don't understand motherhood, he says "feminists" don't understand motherhood - with the implication that feminists are not "proper" women. In fact, it's men who don't understand fatherhood. They don't understand that for motherhood to be a good experience for mother and child, fatherhood needs to be done right, too, which means taking responsibility for and care of children in a supportive non-violent environment. I bet that's in the Koran somewhere.

YonicScrewdriver · 25/11/2014 21:13

He not only god out of there alive, he was applauded. But the conference was in Istanbul.

LurcioAgain · 25/11/2014 15:10

Sadly, in a country where 40% of women suffer DV at some point in their life and the police response is often "go back home and talk things through", and this is the man who is ultimately in charge of that country, "file him under loser" is not an option for the millions of women who live there. See Alev Scott's article. (Usual warning - don't read the comments).

RufusTheReindeer · 25/11/2014 15:09

OH I'm so confused...

I am a feminist (bad) SAHM (mostly) mother of three (good), one natural birth (good) two by c section (bad)

I can't figure out if I'm a proper woman or not

grimbletart · 25/11/2014 14:58

The trouble is MyOwnJungle is that these loser men happen to find themselves in positions of real power sometimes…..

slug · 25/11/2014 12:20

"I always find it ironic when men talk about women being delicate - but not too delicate to push an 8 pound baby out of your fanny as many times as men think appropriate."

One of my favourite party tricks when faced with the bores down the pub is to describe in full and graphic detail the process of giving birth to an 8 pound plus baby without the benefit of painkillers. If they survive past the description of the episotomy, the demo of just how big the forceps are is usually the point at which they shut the fuck up about the delicate female. Wink

MyOwnJungle · 25/11/2014 12:20

yes toffeepenny what you said Grin

MyOwnJungle · 25/11/2014 12:18

what he fails to grasp it that while he may consider motherhood women's only role and that might be supported somewhat by Islam, 1) not everybody is a muslim, 2) certainly most of Europe is not and 3) what about fatherhood.

He's not the ambassador for men, or even for islam. I say don't get to riled up over the stupid comments of one misogynist.

as I said to my son recently, only loser men who don't feel they can compete with everybody are sexist misogynists. men who aren't threatened by women have no problem with women in the work place - everybody judged on their merit. But if you're a big loser then it's obvious you're going to want to remove half your competition. So, just file him under loser.

MyOwnJungle · 25/11/2014 12:15

wow. :poop:

UptoapointLordCopper · 25/11/2014 12:12

(Sorry about the swearing. I was inspired by the thread where a poster was chucked out of a local forum for mild swearing. OK, an f-word. Still, pretty mild by the standards on here. Grin)

UptoapointLordCopper · 25/11/2014 12:10

buffy It will be suitably demure and tinkly after I break the fucking glass ceiling over their fucking heads. Wink

stealthsquiggle · 25/11/2014 11:56

I thought there might be a thread...

I only read the 2 paragraph version, but it said that these remarks were at a women's conference.

my immediate reaction was "how did he get out alive?"

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 25/11/2014 11:53

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QueenoftheRant · 25/11/2014 11:14

I just came on to see if anybody had picked this up yet!

As a feminist and sahm it made me laugh. Kind of.

Does Turkey still want to be an EU member, anyone know? They've just lost my sympathy if this is standard belief over there.

Zazzles007 · 25/11/2014 07:56

Wow, I've just been transported back to the late 1800's...Hmm Where did I leave my horse and cart?