Is the constant misinterpretation of Feminism ignorance or wilful misunderstanding?

Flora slarti I am expressing how little sympathy I have for your bleating about how feminists make you infuriated or offended. Was I not clear?

Lol, I don't like the phrase, no, and I've explained why, but I don't generally get infuriated or offended by feminists. Not sure why anyone would, but maybe you're judging me by your own behaviour as something I've said has clearly infuriated you to the point of repeated childish baiting.

"There was the automatic assumption that said colleague must be male. That, to me suggests a fixed mindset for starters. Even Messy explicitly pointing out that the colleague was female did not register. Again, a rigid mindset that anything derogatory, even in jest, had to have male origins."

Or it could just be a mistake/misreading, don'tcha think?

and one exchange between two people represents the totality of feminism does it?

I propose you suffer preconceptions also.

According to Flora, I am just exercising my privilege, however or whatever I post

Nope. You have been posting in an entitled manner. I'm sure you must have some capability to post in a different way but you haven't shown it so far on this thread. In fact, most of your posts I've noticed have been you attempting to point out flaws in feminism. You've said yourself that you've been harping on about your point about the OP. No-one seems particularly interested in your point but you won't stop going on about it and you are critical that we are not very interested in your point. That is entitled behaviour.

I'd refer you to the very premise of this thread, and the dialogue between Messy and her colleague. There was the automatic assumption that said colleague must be male. That, to me suggests a fixed mindset for starters. Even Messy explicitly pointing out that the colleague was female did not register. Again, a rigid mindset that anything derogatory, even in jest, had to have male origins.

I don't like ideologies that know the answer before they even understand the question.

Ah. Well, my struggle is with the interpretation of events. I don't always agree with it. I mean, feminism doesn't have a monopoly on the truth, does it? It comes from fallible human beings, after all. If it was right about every single aspect of everything, it would be a remarkable and unique political movement.

I don't think it's wrong to ask whether there couldn't be a better explanation sometimes. Do you?

nojacket you said you struggled with some feminist points, do you think that is grounds for further study into the background of feminism and the paradigm around which such points are made? Or are you happy enough with your current perspective as is?

Buffy, I am surprised. I decided to stop contributing because we were at an impasse. I did not want to be seen as just another bloke looking to win an argument, and going round and round, repeating myself over and over. You seem to regard this as some sort of game - 'I made a better move - I win!'

According to Flora, I am just exercising my privilege, however or whatever I post. So really, what is the point? If nobody will consider the proposal that in answer to the OP, there are more than two possibilities, then there is nothing more to say.

Dervel, re in a discourse about ideas and concepts the idea has validity when expressed not the person. Sorry mate, but I don't follow.

Just addressing the chaps whom have posted lately, in a discourse about ideas and concepts the idea has validity when expressed not the person. You might have a moment of inspired genius one day and an epic brain fart the next. Listening and attempting to understand more helps guard against the latter...

Slarti wrote - "You've created a position and attributed it to me (unfairly so, I would say). I said I support equality, I didn't claim it has already been achieved."

I was using the quote only as a starting point for my general point. I didn't say that you, Slarti, think that equality has already been achieved. If I was able to edit my post, I would remove that quote.

Not wriggling nojacket. I assumed it was a rhetorical question and since you've said it isn't, that is still entitled behaviour, just of a different sort. To be clear, it's really not on for you to try to speak on behalf of a group of women to another group of women. Regardless of your intentions, you don't seem to be reflecting on the impact of your contribution, even after Buffy has made the effort to explain it to you, with more patience than I could muster.

You are paying lip service to the notion that you understand why your viewpoint about how feminists should do feminism but you say "that is just how it is within FwR" which suggests you think this is a foible peculiar to this board rather than a concept you should reflect on and take seriously. Your posts generally don't paint the impression that you have any real understanding of why men shouldn't tell women how to do feminism nor of how men can participate in feminist discussion without acting in an entitled manner.

Wriggle wriggle, Flora.

Buffy, I'm not here to troll, to belittle or to silence. We are not going to agree here. Best if I butt out, I think. This is an impossible medium to convince anyone of true intentions, so I won't try.

Was it a rhetorical question nojacket or were you expecting women to justify to you why they post on FWR in a particular way?

Did you see the question mark in my quotation marks, Flora? I asked a question. I was not telling anyone to do anything. I was asking 'why not...?'
If I had put 'listen to them!' then you might have a point.

Did you wilfully ignore the question mark?

I am not saying 'listen to me'. I am saying 'why not listen to them?'

So much wrong with this. You're in no position to tell anyone here who they should listen to and you're in no position to purport to speak for women who are not posting here. Some women posted here with their view of FWR, I think Buffy summed up the key themes pretty well. Not everyone agrees with those views and it's not for you to make demands for how FWR posters want to post. It comes across as an entitlement that we should care about your views and change our behaviour. You know that isn't going to end well, right?

Not happy - baffled would be more accurate. They raised a lot of points that I struggle with within feminism, but being a man, my viewpoint has less validity. That is not a complaint, that is just how it is within FwR, and I understand that.

The OP is a case in point. There are apparently only two possible reasons anyone could disagree. Any other explanation seems beneath consideration. So people get snippy.

I am not saying 'listen to me'. I am saying 'why not listen to them?'.