Feminist Pub 14: The Bluestocking, a place for feminist chat and feminists to chat

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This was via metro, but this was appalling!

And good morning to you all!

Following the thread on whether men can be feminists, I was wondering if people can be "nice" people if they hold and act on sexist views. We don't say "they are a bit racist, but they are nice really". But we do hear "they are a bit of a sexist (clothed in language like "old fashioned", " a bit of a dinosaur", "not politically correct") but they are nice really". If I start thinking that such people are actually NOT nice, will I run out of nice people? Also is this too high a standard, seeing that we have all imbibe some sexist views to some extent?

Thank you for your welcomes. Sorry for momentarily derailing sensible discussions with badge allocations. I will continue to lurk and learn (and challenge). Thankfully, following much enlightened discussion tonight, DH is on side and recognising the inequality too (no he wouldn't have taken my name on marriage...big pause...no he didn't have to change his title on marriage.. More pause for thought. OK now he gets it.)

PS after I just posted that ,there was advert at the bottom of the page for soap powder!

Good evening all. Hello Everyday. I know what you mean . i only started lurking here about six months ago and it has been enlightening.. comforting enraging..uplifting... I have the confidence to challenge sexism now
too thanks to the stuff I've learned about Feminism
BTW I am beginning to think Christmas is a Patriarchal plot to make women work even harder than they normally do!

I feel a cold coming on. I would like a sweet light rather than .

Wouldn't you prefer , Sunshine? I know I would. Got home last night after work, and literally dove into a bottle wine . And the women I mentioned this to at work before I left, agreed that that they would like to do the same.

Welcome Everyday, it hurts to really, really see all of this, doesn't it? I am ashamed to say that I was rather sexist towards women when I was much, much younger. But now I combat to work against sexist attitudes where-ever I am able. You can do your bit if you so choose as well . Posting in the pub is a great start.

I've just submitted a new dissertation plan to my supervisor, talking about ideals of womanhood in Beowulf.

I need

Dragonlette - turn up to the practice and say you thought it was everyone who was welcome - no age or sex defined? But it is worth raising as they are being pretty crappy about it.

I'd take a badge but I'd only have to hand it straight back. The toddler has learnt her first pronoun, and is using it for all genders and cases and whatnot. That pronoun is: him. It took me years to get my head round why using masculine pronouns as default was bad, and now my kid's doing it. If anyone needs me I'll be slumped in the corner of shame.

I want a badge too [pout]

It's not dd's school that has the sexist PE department, it's mine. I wouldn't have any problem pointing it out to dd's school, but when it's people I have to then work with it's more tactical. They do have a boys cross country team and a girls cross country team, it's just the emails we get to let the kids know who's in the team seem to refer to them as the team and the GIRLS team (their capitals not mine), which is wrong, but I'm not sure if it's jsut the assistant who writes the emails who's not thinking, or whether its a department wide ingrained sexism I suspect it's department-wide :(

Everyday Hello! I know what you mean. I look back at my so-called career and am so shocked at how many boxes I can tick on how women are treated and yet I did not see any of it while it was happening! It makes me so angry - a bit at myself but mostly, rightly I think, at my "friends".

Thank you

Hi. I'm (normally) a lurker. I just wanted to say I'm beginning to see it now. The inequality. Other posters are so right - I'm not going to be unable to unsee this now, am I. Half my life as an engineer and I never 'saw' it before, but I now even recognise it in my past career. There's a Fred in chat today about everyday sexism on a topic on This Morning - and I totally get where the OP is coming from :( oh no. Do I need to pay subs for this club, or get a badge or something? Did someone say I get first dibs on the comfy seats as a newcomer?

Yes Yonic, very much, but he doesn't drive so we are working around that at the moment.

hahahaha @ myself.

Tidying up - lift a sheet of DDs that is for homework (RE story about Miriam) and is says "girls should include blah blah"

Me (in my head) WTF why girls should WTF what girls oh yeah coz the story's about Miriam so that's ... oh no wait ... she's at a girls school.

Prat moi :D

Anyway sorry that was so me-me-me. The thing I wanted to say that relates to you, Fibonacci, but forgot in a spiral of egotistical angst, was that I totally relate to the way anxiety can quickly become "maybe this just isn't possible. Maybe it just can't be done. Maybe no one will employ me, maybe I can't get childcare, maybe I won't be able to do the job, maybe -" it so quickly changes from "how will this work?" to "OMG I BET THIS IS NOT EVEN POSSIBLE". It feels like the delicate arrangements around work and family are so tricky and so dependent on private whimsical happenstance and luck that it always feels within a whisper of not happening at all