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Should the UK law on rape be changed?

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prashad · 13/11/2014 21:32

I anticipate some flack for this post, but please hear me out and hopefully we can have an interesting discussion about this.

UK law current states that rape is necessarily committed by a man; that the perpetrator has to insert their penis into the victim. Of course, this means men can rape women, and men can rape men, but women cannot rape anyone.

However, many people would define rape as 'forcing someone to have intercourse against their will'. In the dictionary, rape is defined as;

"1.
the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2.
any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person."

It is my view that according to this dictionary definition, a woman can rape a man. Typical objections include the issue of erection when not aroused, but we all know that men can have involuntary erections when not aroused.

In light of the feminist aim of equality, should be campaign to change the law so that men who have been raped by women can have justice?

I know men who have woken up with a woman on top of them, or who have drunkenly had sex with a sober woman that they otherwise would not have slept with. Perhaps it occurs more frequently than we may think but men don't report it?

I am well aware that the above mentioned hypothetical assaults are against the law in the UK, but called sexual assault, and that the maximum sentences are the same, but why not brand such women 'rapists'?

Conversely, how would you feel if the rape of women by men was just called 'sexual assault' instead and the term 'rape' abolished from our lexicon?

Some men that I have spoken to about this are frustrated and unsupportive of feminism because of the perception that it seeks to increase the rights of women, rather than seeking to promote gender equality... and they site the lack of campaigning by feminists on issues where men are disadvantaged. Do you think that campaign for equality in rape law would be good for feminism because it would show a concern for equality in an issue where men are disadvantaged?

I'd also note that other countries (such as the United States) have updated their rape laws so that women can be convicted of raping men.

Thanks for reading.

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PuffinsAreFicticious · 13/11/2014 22:09

No Katee, it's like saying that Age Concern should be campaigning for the Cats Protection League.

Men hold power, they make the laws in the UK, so, if they wanted to, they could change the present law.

Interestingly, there is already law which states that women need to seek consent for sex. It's within the sexual offences act. I would strongly urge the OP to fact find first.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, or shouldn't be pursued, but you see, feminism is kinda busy fighting to free women from the oppression of Patriarchy, as soon as that's done, I'll join this campaign.

scallopsrgreat · 13/11/2014 22:08

"...a long and ongoing history of male violence against women..."

I think that answers your questions.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 13/11/2014 22:04

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KateeGee · 13/11/2014 22:02

Yes it's like saying I am unsupportive of Age Concern or Save the Children because I am neither elderly nor a child. Or saying I don't support the cats protection league because I have a dog and the cats protection league isn't fighting against cruelty to dogs.

AnyFucker · 13/11/2014 21:59

I get it

You want women to sort it out for you

Hang on, I just need to make my husband a sandwich and then I'm right on it

Kewcumber · 13/11/2014 21:57

and they site the lack of campaigning by feminists on issues where men are disadvantaged Confused Hmm

What OldBitch said.

TheLyingOldBitchAndHerWardrobe · 13/11/2014 21:52

Why do men want feminists to campaign on their behalf? That's a particularly odd idea. I feel like I'm missing something.

Are disability activists called upon to represent the rights of able bodied people? Do members of racial equality movements often get asked to lend their strength to white power campaigns?

Why are women being held up to scrutiny for this?

prashad · 13/11/2014 21:46

Buffy,

I've not been thinking about it very long, just today in fact after a conversation in work. I posted this because I'd like to hear other people's views, which I find interesting.

I'm not really the sort of person who would campaign, I'm too lazy. I don't even campaign for feminist issues. However, I do vote, sign petitions and speak out when people are sexist... and if this issue came to a vote, I'd support a change.

I'm aware though, that rape is a particularly sensitive issue to those who've been raped, and also to feminists because of a long and ongoing history of male violence against women in it's many forms. Even with this issue, no doubt, the probable under-reporting by men would still leave rape statistics heavily skewed against women such that it can be fairly considered a 'womens issue'... and so it would be natural for feminists to want to claim (for lack of a better phrase) the word 'rape' as something that is done-by-men.

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Shlep · 13/11/2014 21:40

I would gladly support a change like that.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 13/11/2014 21:39

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