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Dapper Laughs

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basgetti · 10/11/2014 13:22

I just got an email to sign a petition to get ITV to cancel this series. I'd never heard of it so did a bit of googling, it's pretty grim reading. What on earth are ITV thinking, claiming that “his unique brand of banter and brash charm is neither sexist nor degrading to women" when it consists of shouting sexist abuse at women in the street, making rape jokes and the following comments:

"If she cries, she's just playing hard to get"

"Get your arm swing just right when you're walking and you occasionally touch a bit of *** by 'mistake', they love it."

"If she's looking at me and playing with her hair, by the end of the night she'll need a wheelchair"

This stuff makes me so bloody angry. Rant over.

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Amethyst24 · 13/11/2014 13:17

A friend linked to this on Facebook, which made me laugh.

newsthump.com/2014/11/12/comedian-to-retire-controversial-katie-hopkins-character/

AWholeLottaNosy · 13/11/2014 10:11

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Good meme from Digital Spy website ( men actually having an intelligent discussion about him and his 'comedy')

LeBearPolar · 12/11/2014 21:29

Good article on the Radio Times website with the Newsnight clip as well:

here

I'm an English teacher. My A Level students (my GCSE students, come to that) would be able to put him straight on the meaning of satire. Whatever he thinks he's doing, it ain't satire in any way.

RunkyJam · 12/11/2014 16:52

Article in the metro by Tom who set up the 68k strong petition:

metro.co.uk/2014/11/12/why-the-fall-of-dapper-laughs-is-an-important-lesson-learned-4945630/

I know him from over at a feminist group I belong to on Facebook

AdamLambsbreath · 12/11/2014 12:38

He thinks that saying women are 'the most powerful people on this planet' is the opposite of sexist.

I expect we're supposed to be powerful because we're a) sexy or b) mothers.

basgetti · 12/11/2014 11:31

Satire seems to be the go-to excuse for anything at the moment. Latest culprit is Redfoo, who's new song is of course 'satire' and he actually loves women and thinks they are 'the most powerful people on this planet.' Hmm

www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/63119984/rapper-redfoo-defends-most-sexist-song-of-the-year

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ProfYaffle · 12/11/2014 11:23

I saw the newsnight interview and agree he looked genuinely shaken but I get the impression he was sorry he was 'caught' and the negative backlash shocked him. I didn't get a sense of any understanding that he wasn't being viewed satirically by most of his audience or that he was contributing to a culture of sexualised misogyny.

Thistledew · 12/11/2014 10:58

I don't buy the 'satire' argument at all. If you compare this idiot's material to Simon Brodkin when he performs as Lee Nelson, you really notice the difference. Brodkin's character superficially portrays the same sort of 'laddish/chavy' culture and in a lot of his material you sit there thinking "Oh no, he's about to say something obnoxious and bigoted" but in the punch line he manages to pull it back and poke fun at the bigotry instead.

He's not my favourite comedian and I wouldn't say he gets it right every time, but I do admire him for his cleverness. He manages to both enact the behaviour and attitudes and lampoon it at the same time. Dapper Laughs just enacts it, and fails to incorporate any commentary on it, or to undermine it in any way.

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FloraFox · 12/11/2014 10:20

Emily Maitliss was excellent on Newsnight, it's well worth a watch.

If you search for "Dapper Laughs dad" on Newsnight, you can see that his dad was trolling his son's critics on twitter (he's deleted the tweets but there are some screenshots).

I agree he looked genuinely shocked but I don't believe he thought it was satire or that the audience would take it as satire.

basgetti · 12/11/2014 10:14

I watched the Newsnight interview, it was indeed satisfying that he couldn't defend his material even though it was quite uncomfortable viewing.

I've unfortunately just had a look at his fb page where some of the comments from his 'fans' about Emily Maitlis show that some of his viewers clearly aren't watching it in an 'ironic' way or whatever drivel used to justify it, but actually do see his material as an acceptable way to talk about women.

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RunkyJam · 12/11/2014 10:03

I am as yet to see the newsnight piece, but very pleased to hear that it's put an end to this "character".

My concern is that it wasn't quite as the story has been told, however, as why would a "character" encourage the abuse of people trying to take him down? (This was last week, he has since deleted the tweets - but search for "deleted tweets" and plenty of people took screen grabs of them!)

irishe · 12/11/2014 01:10

He was being interviewed on newsnight this evening about the second series of his show being cancelled. He has also cancelled his upcoming tour and was basically trying to distance himself from the whole dapper laughs "character".

If anyone is interested I would recommend watching it on I player. It was interesting. He looked genuinely shocked at the amount of public outrage his show had stirred up. It was strangely satisfying to see him confronted with some of his obscene material. Whether he genuinely felt it was satire or not, it felt like a victory that he realised how unacceptable it was.

He looked like a little boy who was having to grow up fast. I am sure he said at one point that his life/career had been ruined and his family were not happy with him. I found these quite child like comments. I thought he was going to cry towards the end of the interview.

I take no pleasure in his personal distress but on a wider level it feels positive that in this instance public opinion has put an end to broadcasting this misogynistic drivel.

AWholeLottaNosy · 11/11/2014 17:21

Result! Grin

BellaSolanum · 11/11/2014 16:58

His tour has been cancelled now

BellaSolanum · 10/11/2014 23:05

Nice to see the petition has worked Grin

basgetti · 10/11/2014 22:45

Good, I feel quite heartened that 60,000 people have signed the petition.

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AWholeLottaNosy · 10/11/2014 22:20

Just read he won't be doing a second season. Thank God!

www.theguardian.com/media/2014/nov/10/itv-drops-dapper-laughs-criticism-daniel-oreilly-misogyny

Brugmansia · 10/11/2014 21:26

The interview linked to above was a complete piss take of dapper laughs. The same people who wrote it were then involved in the stuff last week criticising the album. They then became the target of all sorts of nasty hate stuff on twitter.
usvsth3m.com/post/this-is-what-happened-when-i-criticised-dapper-laughs-on-twitter

alicemalice · 10/11/2014 20:39

Satire is one of the best ways to challenge oppression. I think there's space for someone to do this really well.

PuffinsAreFicticious · 10/11/2014 19:01

He's not doing a second season.

Good, rapey twat.

www.itv.com/news/update/2014-11-10/itv-decides-not-to-continue-dapper-laughs-show/

AdamLambsbreath · 10/11/2014 17:42

Signed. What a load of depressing shit.

MonstrousRatbag · 10/11/2014 17:34

I agree, it is satire and piss-take all round-the interview, and probably DL as well.

But still, people think this kind of satire fine when women are the (actual or ostensible) targets. They wouldn't, I don't think, be so relaxed if the comedy were directed at other groups. And that is telling.

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