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Does anyone know the article about "prostitute", "sex worker" etc not being the correct terminology

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WeDONTneedanotherhero · 02/11/2014 19:51

It was shared on here years ago, I can't remember who wrote it but it very clearly explain why the terms "prostitute", "sex worker" etc are not acceptable terms to use.

Could someone share the link please, thanks.

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FloraFox · 04/11/2014 19:33

obviously "women in priostitution" is intended to mean women. Others would be "[x] in prostitution".

AnyFawker · 04/11/2014 19:30

Have prostitutes not "reclaimed" the word ?

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 04/11/2014 19:23

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OldLadyKnowsBeelzebub · 04/11/2014 19:09

"Women in prostitution" excludes the men and transpeople who also engage in sex work, and are affected by legisation.

YouAreMyRain · 04/11/2014 18:57

But "working girl" uses "girl" which is patronising for an adult woman, although I recognise the similarity with "rent boy".

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 04/11/2014 17:36

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FloraFox · 04/11/2014 17:29

Buffy this is right up your street, isn't it? I think you're right about trying to gain positive association with work although it doesn't fit with work as we understand it.

I prefer "women in prostitution". The problem with "women who sell sex" is that it overlooks women who are sold for sex rather than who are positively selling sex.

AF I hate "working girls", possibly worst of all although it does encapsulate how prostitution affects all women.

Amethyst24 · 04/11/2014 17:27

"Working girl" I see as just euphemistic, a bit like "lady of the night".

Archfarchnad · 04/11/2014 17:27

"I think (as with other types of terminology) the correct terms to use are the ones preferred by the person-in-that-category. You don't get to define another person against his/her wishes" Absolutely SGB.

I don't see such a huge problem with the term 'sex worker'. Work means doing a particular activity as a commercial exchange of goods or services. Sometimes that work is forced or carried out under duress - think of the terms 'forced labourer' or 'slave labour' or 'bonded worker' - but it's still work. If a person is being compelled to sell sexual services presumably that makes them a forced sex worker. At least the term is not pejorative about the women themselves.
It's certainly better than the word prostitute, which is mired down in a 19th century morality that blames and shames desperate women for their supposed moral failings rather than the clients who actually drive the exploitation forwards.

Amethyst24 · 04/11/2014 17:26

Buffy, I'd only read the first part of your post when I posted, but I agree with the second bit too. FWIW I first heard the term "sex worker" used in the 1980s in the context of HIV/AIDS prevention, which I guess is about as close to workplace health and safety as people selling sex get.

AnyFawker · 04/11/2014 17:24

...and I am sure another poster in the same line said she didn't mind the term "prostitute" when applied factually and unemotionally

AnyFawker · 04/11/2014 17:23

How about "working girls" ? There is a lovely poster who comes on here on occasion to join debates around the sex industry. I am not going to use her nickname here but she uses a combination of "WG" and a female Christian name.

Personally, I don't like that term.

AnyFawker · 04/11/2014 17:19

Oi, Rain . I don't mind offending people who piss me off. Some of the groups of people we are talking about here have done nothing to me in that regard... Wink

Amethyst24 · 04/11/2014 17:12

I agree, Buffy - I can totally understand how a woman in that position would lump "prostitute" in with a whole load of other, more derogatory terms and think,"no, I don't want to be defined like that".

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 04/11/2014 17:12

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YouAreMyRain · 04/11/2014 17:03

It's a tricky one. I suppose "sex worker" seems neutral enough until you think about it. I would normally agree with the principle of letting the people in that position decide their own label, but in terms of the sex industry, so many women are exploited and unable to see that until after they exit.

FloraFox · 04/11/2014 16:59

No I wouldn't do that. It would be a betrayal of what I believe and of the survivors who have asked for that term not to be used.

YouAreMyRain · 04/11/2014 16:54

AF since when? Wink

SolidGoldBrass · 04/11/2014 16:44

Given that, in a polarised debate, using either/any term will upset people, I tend to think that (as I said above) you use the term preferred by the person you are addressing when you are in a person's company, and the term you consider most appropriate when you are speaking generally.
Unless anyone has any good suggestions for a term that is neutral and acceptable to all apart from the seriously hardline on either side (or the sort of people who prefer to nitpick at terminology rather than counter with a valid argument).

AnyFawker · 04/11/2014 13:07

Perhaps. I guess my female default position is to not want to offend anyone Grin

FloraFox · 04/11/2014 12:56

AnyFawker you are as entitled as anyone else to contribute to what is acceptable generally. There are two positions which are founded in ideology and there's nothing wrong with that. This notion that only certain people who fall into one category can determine the terminology everyone uses is just a political tactic.

AnyFawker · 04/11/2014 12:18

However, since I am none of those things, what I "prefer" is possibly way low on a list of what is acceptable generally.

AnyFawker · 04/11/2014 12:17

This is a conundrum. What terms do we use then ? I prefer the purely factual ones. Prostitute = has sex for money. Pimp = procures others for sex for money. Lap dancer. Stripper. Pornographer. Etcetera.

They all contribute to the sex industry.

FloraFox · 04/11/2014 12:06

Unfortunately in attempting to please everyone, you would please no-one. A survivor abolitionist is offended at the notion that sex is work because it negates their experience even if applied to other people. Similarly a woman delighted with her experience in prostitution would likely be unhappy with the use of "woman in prostitution" even if applied to other people.

I do not recognise sex as work and "sex worker" is an unsatisfactory term that includes pimps so I won't use that term.