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All's well that ends well? ( hopefully)

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Scarletohello · 01/11/2014 19:51

So I started the thread in AIBU about why don't more women come on FWR yesterday. WAs shocked at the responses so started the other thread on FWR to see how we could counter this ( as people were saying it was aggressive, patronising, elitist etc). Felt a bit overwhelmed at the vitriol directed at myself personally and also FWR so I withdrew from the discussion party because I couldn't cope with the personal attacks and also because I didn't want to inflame things further ( and cos I'm a bit of a coward) Although I wasn't posting, I was reading both threads with a mounting sense of horror, especially when I was accused of having brought the FWR board into disrepute and how it would put more women off posting there.

However, it seems like some incredibly useful discussions have resulted as a consequence as well as some great threads on FWR both for newbies and also what's great about FWR ( thanks both to Cailin and Buffy). Seems like it was a discussion waiting to be had as it has ignited great passion on both sides. I'm so relieved about this as I was mortified that something that had started with a genuine curiosity and desire to help seem to have been so badly misconstrued.

So I wanted to apologise to anyone here who was annoyed at me, I still don't understand why it all went so badly wrong, was I 'patronising'? ( certainly wasn't my intention). Any feedback about how I came across would be gratefully received but mainly I'm just hugely relieved that the ensuing debate has brought people over her and that some good has come out of it ( no credit to me, I know).

So thanks to all who have invested their time and energy in defending this board, it's something that's hugely important tome, there are a lot of brilliant, impassioned women here that I learn from every day and am proud to be part of.

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cailindana · 01/11/2014 22:11

:)

grocklebox · 01/11/2014 21:15

Wow, you're even more patronising than the OP, cailin. Thats impressive in its own annoying way.

cailindana · 01/11/2014 20:09

Scarlet, the response you have had is totally normal and to be expected. When women are confronted with feminism and start to see the truth of how the men around them really see them, their totally understandable reaction is anger, disbelief and defensiveness. They attack the messenger. Your thread fed into that, and gave those posters space to express the fear and upset they feel when approaching feminism, except that they directed that fear towards feminism itself rather than towards the actual culprits.

If people really thought feminism was mean, unaccommodating etc etc, they just wouldn't bother engaging in the first place. The fact that they do engage, and get worked up about it, means the desire is there to be included, but it is held back by the fear of what it means to truly confront the world we live in a realise that, as a woman, every single aspect of your life is constrained, criticised, belittled, devalued and threatened.

It is part of the process. Some women will go through it, have their eyes opened and never go back. Some will reject it. Some will attack it. That's the way it's ever been. But your thread, though it seemed negative, was a positive thing IMO - it got people involved. And that's the essential first step.

JubJubBirds · 01/11/2014 20:01

Scarlet, I'm sure you meant well but what's stopping you from actually going back to the threads you already started and writing this? That way it's all the people who took the time to respond to or watch your thread(s!) will see your message. What's the point in starting yet another thread?

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 01/11/2014 19:59

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Scarletohello · 01/11/2014 19:58

Fair enough, but there's 5 threads that have come out of the original one so I can't really post on all of them...

( gives up)

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grocklebox · 01/11/2014 19:53

This is another TAAT.