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Red lipstick - a feminist dilemma?

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PrincessOfThemyscira · 30/10/2014 19:49

I bought a red lipstick last week, have worn it a few times since, and I'm amazed by mens peoples reactions to me.

Doors have been opened for me, men have moved out of my way on the pavement, I've received warm smiles and a few turned heads, flirty conversations etc. Today I was at a networking event and businessmen were throwing freebies at me. My male colleague was most put out because he had to ask. It was empowering. Or was it?
I have done literally nothing more than put this lipstick on. The rest of my appearance is unchanged.

Initially part of me was pleased - I've had a lot of self esteem issues over the years and this attention is flattering.
Then I began to think how stupid these men are for getting flustered by a bit of make-up. How weak are they?!
And then it began to trouble me. I don't want to be seen as a pair of lips, I want to be valued for who I am and what I say. But if my appearance captures their attention long enough to hear what I have to say...?

Also, surely I have the right to wear what I want on my lips, whether it be red, orange or blue lipstick?!

I suppose basically I'm just a bit confused. I keep feeling manipulative for wearing red lips. But then then I think "Fuck it, I'll wear what I want!".

I suppose you could take this situation and substitute any number of things - short skirt, revealing top etc

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Smashingpumpkinofcourse · 30/10/2014 20:55

In situations like this I like to think about the power balance. If I put the lipstick on, it gives me this power over men (their decision though isn't it?) But I also have the power to take it off whenever I like.

Seems okay to me Wink

PrincessOfThemyscira · 30/10/2014 20:55

"Um. Dunno." sums it up perfectly!

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 30/10/2014 20:51

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Jumblebee · 30/10/2014 20:35

Uh oh, how'd it end? I've found breaking food into bite size pieces prevents me from ending up looking like the Joker after lunch!

Going a bit off the feminism topic now!

PrincessOfThemyscira · 30/10/2014 20:14

Jumble, I foolishly went to Subway for lunch today...

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PrincessOfThemyscira · 30/10/2014 20:13

Yes, to be fair, I've had women come up and compliment the lipstick too, so it's not just men. And it's possible that subconsciously there is more confidence.

I love the lipstick, but I'm not sure I love how it makes me feel?
Sorry, I'm not really sure what I'm babbling about. It's only recently I've considered/realised that I am feminist, and am seeing lots of things in a new light after reading a few books and a few threads on here.

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Jumblebee · 30/10/2014 20:12

Oh it's a nightmare! I'm constantly running my tongue over my teeth, paranoid that it's gone everywhere and I'm not achieving the Marilyn Monroe-esque look I'm going for Hmm and the day I decided to have a tuna baguette for lunch? Disaster!

Sicaq · 30/10/2014 20:07

Interesting! Not sure about the feminist dilemma but I recently started wearing it too, and male friends have been saying it looks nice. I was surprised, because I had always been told that men dislike lipstick. I was wearing it because I liked how it looked, and thinking than the mens could like it or lump it.

Off the point, I know.

Lorelei353 · 30/10/2014 20:06

Is there a chance that you're carrying yourself differently while wearing it? even subconsciously you might be walking more confidently etc which may be why you're attracting more attention - not just the lippy itself

chariotsofire · 30/10/2014 20:03

If you were wearing it and not getting this reaction you wouldn't care so just enjoy wearing it if it makes you happy. Chances are it is just catching people's eyes - women included - as it is a strong colour. I would probably notice and look longer. If I was trying to sell something this might translate into giving you more attention over your male colleague. Nothing sinister intended.

Would you change the way you dress just because people seemed to find it attractive? If the attention made you self conscious maybe but not if what you were wearing gave you confidence. It should be about you and what you like.

You can't control what other people find attractive.

PrincessOfThemyscira · 30/10/2014 20:02

Ha! I have been very conscious of the lippy-on-teeth thing!

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Jumblebee · 30/10/2014 20:00

I've never noticed any change in people's behaviour to me when wearing red lipstick Hmm maybe the odd look when I've got it on my teeth and not realised!

PrincessOfThemyscira · 30/10/2014 19:51

Just re-read. Totally not meant to be a stealth boast. I am not a looker. That's why it's surprised me so much what a bit of red make-up can do.

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