i need a break from this feminism stuff

It was brilliant- I may even have shed a tear at the end

I'm watching that Scott And Bailey on iplayer now- really enjoying it, thanks for the tip!

Blimey you lot are all patient. And clever. Wish I was.

As it is... Olivia, I'm a sahm. At the moment. I have actually spent more time being the main breadwinner than a sahm. Since dh is it now in many ways that does mean his job comes first. For the rest... to coin a phrase, 'Wanna fight?'

You have been lucky you silly girl. Congratulations. I even wish it continues for you. It's great that there are some women who have never had to eat shit somewhere.

Can't you even see the rest of us?

Spirited, you can get all the seasons of Bones on Lovefilm. I love Bones because there are great female characters who are doing amazingly clever things and get on well with each other and the men around them. The relationship between Sealy Booth (male FBI) and Tempe/Bones(female forensic anthropologist) is full of mutual support and respect.

What I also like is the way that it is the main female character Bones who is the lovable eccentric scientist, on the spectrum, and completely unable to understand the nuances in social interaction which is so often a stereotype reserved for men. The touchy feely person is her partner Booth.

Only thing I don't like is the glamourous beauty that seems to be a prerequisite for all the supporting female characters but you can't have everything.

Love Olivia's posts though. I think we need a sticky for them so we can link to them whenever feminists are accused of being the ones who hate men. I suspect her husband is quite aware of her covert power games and quite happily sits back letting her think she has all the indirect power. He's probably on a chat forum somewhere saying "the secret lads is to let the wife think that she can manipulate you".

I think she missed the point that feminism isn't about wresting all the power from men (directly or indirectly) but about sharing it. Now there's a radical thought ....

Off of even the TV topic, but has anyone seen "Must Love Dogs"? It's kind of a romantic comedy film, but it is more real... more grown up. I keep meaning to mention to people who might like it.

TV wise, I rather still like to revisit the Gilmore Girls from time to time - seven series, mother who named her daughter after herself and runs a business. Primarily about mother daughter relationship, and the relationship with her own mum. Some really fast witty dialogue.

A feminist friend keeps recommending Bones to me, but I haven't seen it as I don't have sky.

@Pepper

It's as relevant as your boyfriend-in-the-secret-service fantasy. You've never heard of 24 but you know Keifer Sutherland's in it? Um what?

If you're husband/bf/whatever was in the CIA/MI5/MI6/whatever and you actually outed him on mums.net - I'm not even gonna finish that sentence, it's so ridiculous.

You made me laugh though!

xx

Gah phone keeps posting

Morecrack Happy Valley was very well written and brilliant characters but some scenes were extremely violent in a way that I struggled with. She also writes Last Tango in Halifax which again has fab characters

Sally Wainwright is excellent. She did an episode of desert island discs recently

Scott and Bailey is fantastic. I love all the scenes where the women are discussing work stuff in the loos - very realistic and woman-centric

Knots Landing?! I had no idea it was so compelling .

I'm quite enjoying the updated reimagining of Prisoner Cell Block H, Wentworth on C5. It passes the Bechdel Test anyway...

I know what you mean about TV commitment, Buffy. I'm a serial monogamist and only commit to one box set catch up at a time.

24?? If you mean the Keifer Sutherland thing I can honestly tell you I have never watched one episode. Why is it relevant?

I loved watching the box set of Mad Men. It was a difficult watch for a feminist though.

@Pepperwitheverything - do you watch 24? Honey, please.

I don't know Sally Wainwright- I'll look her up, she sounds great.

I want to play this Bingo...my man works for MI6 and Interpol (luckily he doesn't know my name on here otherwise he would really have a go....) So Olivia, do you like the Real Housewives?

Aaaaagh. Would loved to have seen it.
Happy Valley was the other Sally Wainwright series. Not watched it but heard good reports?
And she said this in a Guardian interview..." When you do see women's relationships on screen, they are often dramatised negatively. It's about conflict rather than women enjoying each other's company. But most women have really good relationships. They can talk to each other in a way that's very humorous and jolly and fun."
She says she likes writing female characters because women are heroic. Love that.

Royal Exchange, Crack. Just finished

4 series I think. Written by Sally Wainwright, who wrote Happy Town and a few other things.
Maxine Peake also brilliant. Just finished at our local theatre playing Beryl Burton, a local cyclist who was a total pioneer. She wrote the play too.
Where is Hamlet? Tv or theatre?

Oh, I loved Cagney And Lacey. So fantastic. And the credits are brilliant, even if they do get upstaged by a flasher. Plus ça change...

Not important, buffy, just busy.

And, obviously, watching the wrong things on TV.

I lurves Scott & Bailey but haven't seen the last episode due to me being asleep at 8:15 last night . Don't ask! Anyway no more spoilers please (I knew Jill was retiring )