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S.L.U.T (have I been wrong for so many years)

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partialderivative · 29/10/2014 18:46

I am a (male) maths teacher, and have been for many many years.

I am now worried about an acronym I use to help my students remember how to draw a certain type of diagram correctly.

It should comprise:

Scale: So that you can read the numbers

Label: So you know what is being measured

Units: On both axis

Title: Every diagram need a title to be complete.

Every year this has been greeted with hilarity by all my students, and I am sure it has helped many of them feel confident that they have covered all the points that will be marked. It is not something that they forget.

Of course, I make no reference to the 'meaning' of slut in other contexts, and I would challenge any student who took that opportunity

I think I know what the responses are going to be. But it just doesn't feel that outrageous in the classroom. Everyone laughs, and the lesson carries on.

(I haven't NC, so you can check if you think I have a history of sexism or misogyny.)

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Cherriesandapples · 02/11/2014 18:32

My whole year of maths in the top set was spent trying but failing to get the attention of the male teacher so I could actually learn something. He never once came over to help me out, never once chose me to answer a question. I sat right with the boys but was obviously invisible.

What other random acts of sexism do you practice OP?

partialderivative · 02/11/2014 18:31

We teach on Sundays

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FrauHelga · 02/11/2014 18:29

Jesus fucking H christ you really need to go and give your head a wobble, OP.

Scale - so we know what to measure you knobbishness against

Label - you're behaving like a knob.

Units - that tells us just how big a knob you're being

Title - you're a knob.

And if you really kept a bunch of 15 year old girls behind in class on a Sunday to ask them if it was ok then you're an even bigger knob that you seemed from your first post.

partialderivative · 02/11/2014 18:29

I asked the girls (15/16 year olds from many different cultures) in my class today if they would stay behind for a couple of minutes and asked them about the previous lesson.

RIght. Sure you did. hmm

What are you suggesting? Please make it clear.

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SevenZarkSeven · 02/11/2014 18:23

You got the girls in your class
To stay behind after class
And ask them if they found your "SLUT" acronym offensive or funny.

Right.

WTF?

AsAMan · 02/11/2014 18:23

I asked the girls (15/16 year olds from many different cultures) in my class today if they would stay behind for a couple of minutes and asked them about the previous lesson.

RIght. Sure you did. Hmm

MyEmpireOfDirt · 02/11/2014 18:21

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partialderivative · 02/11/2014 18:16

I have read and digested all that has been written on this thread.

I fully accept that I was out or order.

SugarAndSpice126 Wed 29-Oct-14 18:49:54
If it's so casual and totally irrelevant to the word's meaning, would you feel comfortable using words such as n*gger too?

The above post probably made it more clear to me than many others.

However... (remember that I am conceding that I am wrong)...
I asked the girls (15/16 year olds from many different cultures) in my class today if they would stay behind for a couple of minutes and asked them about the previous lesson.

All of them thought my acronym was funny

None of them took offence

All of them recommended that I should use it again for future years.

(They replied anonymously)

I'll stress once more; I'll not be using this again.

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KristinaM · 30/10/2014 07:41

OP, don't you live in Dubai ?

I'm struggling to think why any teacher would think this was ok, let alone someone teaching in an Islamic country .

MyEmpireOfDirt · 30/10/2014 07:20

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Hazchem · 30/10/2014 06:19

wow wee things have changed since I took maths at school.

I was a bit of a maths head at school but I was also a feminist and I would have called you out, I would have got my parents to call you too and made a formal complaint. In fact they complained about poor maths teaching for lower levels of crap than that.

I'm actually really offended you have been using it at all. Have you ever discussed it with another teacher? Your head of dept, or head of school? Have you never been audited?

MissBlennerhasset · 30/10/2014 01:19

I can't believe a grown up would think this was an appropriate word to use in a classroom. How intimidating to the young women in your class.

EBearhug · 29/10/2014 22:11

And now let us consider the reasons why fewer girls go on to take maths at a higher levels...

Clue: It's not usually about competence.

BuckskinnedAstronaut · 29/10/2014 22:06

I will admit that when I suggested L.U.S.T. I had assumed that it was obviously inappropriate for a teacher to use with a class and then tease out why that was obviously inappropriate and yet S.L.U.T. wasn't.

The idea that L.U.S.T. would be considered fine and dandy hadn't really occurred to me. Hmm

On a practical note, you could turn MyFabulousBoys' suggestion around and have S.T.U.N.

AsAMan · 29/10/2014 21:46

Also your students don't think you are hilarious, they think you are hilarious. You're the sad teacher who thinks he's down with the kids.

AsAMan · 29/10/2014 21:45

If you used SLUT or LUST in my child's class, I would do everything in my power to ensure you weren't allowed anywhere near a classroom again. I'd also tell my daughter to stay the fuck away with you Hmm

DaisyFlowerChain · 29/10/2014 20:26

I rarely complain to the school but I would have done over that. What a horrid choice of word.

MyOneandYoni · 29/10/2014 20:25

Time for some retraining, OP?

We use this in our staffroom...

K - Know your audience.
N- Never take everyday sexism for granted.
O - Official complaint is needed.
B - Bye bye teaching career.

Mitchy1nge · 29/10/2014 20:19

I want to be like zazzles but am thinking 'ugh, creepy as fuck, a teacher yuck'

scallopsrgreat · 29/10/2014 20:18

Bloody hell. Do they not do Equality & Diversity courses at your school then. Have you wondered how a girl in your class who was uncomfortable with that acronym/mnemonic might have felt with her peers laughing around her?

Zazzles007 · 29/10/2014 19:53

I don't mean to insult you OP, but you should really be posting about this on the site Everyday Sexism. Its events like this which happen all the time in men's and women's lives, and many, many of us allow them to pass us by with nary a notice.

Kudos to you for questioning this particular thing and being brave enough to ask here. Only by being aware of how we behave, can we then think of ways to change our thoughts, feelings, and thus behaviour

MrsTerrorPratchett · 29/10/2014 19:15

I took maths later than most of my peers. At one point I was the only female student left in a stats class. As a female student in a class with mostly male students, a male teacher and your success hinged on how you performed... it's not comfortable. One of my male teachers thought it was appropriate to ask the female students what they were doing in an A level maths class as 'girls don't need advanced maths'. Wanker. I did tell him he pissed me off later but was excluded from his class as a result. It rankles to this day. He was just the type to think that using an acronym of that ilk would be HILARIOUS.

LurcioAgain · 29/10/2014 19:15

Assuming you are for real (which is a scary thought), I suggest you google "stereotype threat."

Totally agree with Dreaming - one is massively derogatory, and the other is creepy. What proportion of your female students go on to A levels compared with the national average?

fluffling · 29/10/2014 19:14

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partialderivative · 29/10/2014 19:13

I really haven't started this as a 'goading post'. and I accept the positive criticism made.

It worries me that a person responsible for teaching teenagers can't work this out on his own.

These sorts of posts are entirely justifiable, given the brevity of my OP.

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