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S.L.U.T (have I been wrong for so many years)

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partialderivative · 29/10/2014 18:46

I am a (male) maths teacher, and have been for many many years.

I am now worried about an acronym I use to help my students remember how to draw a certain type of diagram correctly.

It should comprise:

Scale: So that you can read the numbers

Label: So you know what is being measured

Units: On both axis

Title: Every diagram need a title to be complete.

Every year this has been greeted with hilarity by all my students, and I am sure it has helped many of them feel confident that they have covered all the points that will be marked. It is not something that they forget.

Of course, I make no reference to the 'meaning' of slut in other contexts, and I would challenge any student who took that opportunity

I think I know what the responses are going to be. But it just doesn't feel that outrageous in the classroom. Everyone laughs, and the lesson carries on.

(I haven't NC, so you can check if you think I have a history of sexism or misogyny.)

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CrumpleHornedSnorkack · 02/11/2014 20:18

Jesus fucking wept!

You are precisely the sort of colleague (yes HELLO fellow teacher here!) that I have to battle against day in day out when I counter sexism in schools.

You are part of the problem, you are not being cool or edgy you are PART OF THE PROBLEM girls face everyday to put them in their place.

Find another acronym, one that isn't so unbelievably offensive to a whole sex/class/group. And do it quickly before you damage your career forever.

grimbletart · 02/11/2014 20:12

OP - tip. When you are in a hole, stop digging.

EBearhug · 02/11/2014 20:10

If you'd already decided it was inappropriate, why did you have to keep them behind to ask?

MrsTerrorPratchett · 02/11/2014 19:55

You kept them after class to ask them 'anonymously'. When I was 15, I think I could have worked out that my teacher probably knew what my handwriting looked like. Just saying.

Also, at 15, aren't you supposed to be educating them? Not the other way around...

MrSheen · 02/11/2014 19:25

If you'd decided not to use it because it is derogatory, misogynous, and staggeringly crass, what was the point in singling out these girls? Why not just apologise and move on rather than getting them to reassure you that you are hilarious?

Oppressed groups are socialised to lie low, to take the joke, to not make a fuss. Girls are taught to be compliant so men don't assault them. What on earth did you expect them to say? 'You are a massively offensive wanker, Sir, see you next lesson'

I'm in my 40s and would struggle if put on the spot by my boss like that.

nobutreally · 02/11/2014 19:20

Blimey, I had to check you were a legit poster as I couldn't believe a teacher would need to ask this, or would think checking this out with the (offended against) pupils was an appropriate way to behave.

Well done for recognising that this was inappropriate. To clarify why keeping the girls afterwards & getting their approval wasn't equally inappropriate. Remember being 14? Remember the pressure to fit in & conform, to be cool? Now imagine you suffered from something that a cool, edgy (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt...) female teacher frequently used as a source of humour. Maybe you had a small penis, or suffered from premature ejaculation. Something you worried about, and felt insecure about, but was embarrassing to admit to. One day, out of nowhere the teacher kept you & a few other kids back (not the whole class,so you are already feeling singled out) & asked if you were offended by the jokes she'd been making. Do you honestly think you'd have told her?

I know it's not completely analogous, because as a bloke, you don't find yourself constantly the butt of jokes and put downs about your whole sex. As such, I'm pushing it up a scale a bit to give you the idea.

thedancingbear · 02/11/2014 19:15

OP, when I was a 15/16 old boy doing my GCSE maths, i'd've found this so creepy and really uncomfortable. And by keeping the girls back to ask if it was ok (ffs) you've made it worse. You could've dropped the acronym quietly but now everyone's going to be talking about what a sleaze you appear to be.

I wonder if it's just slightly off for certain posters to be constantly calling the OP a knob, even though it appears to be, er, somewhat accurate.

noblegiraffe · 02/11/2014 19:14

Thinking about having taught teenagers for a few years now, I think I have (over)heard more girls than boys use the word slut. Sometimes in a jokey manner and sometimes to insult another girl.

I'm not sure it hits many 15/16 year olds as a misogynist term, they're not usually into that sort of feminist analysis.

Not condoning its use by a teacher, but I don't think it's the same thing as using an overtly racist term. It's entirely possible that some of the girls were left thinking that they were kept behind and not the boys because girls are more delicate and prone to be offended by bad language, rather than any sexism in the word.

SevenZarkSeven · 02/11/2014 19:12

Out of interest, why do you assume that all the boys were cool with it?

At 15/16 some boys will have strong ideas around these things. Some might identify as feminists / feminist allies. Others might be absolutely mortified at you bringing sex into the classroom at what is a pretty sensitive age for both boys and girls.

What makes you assume that only the girls would have a problem with your behaviour. That's quite interesting in itself.

Mitchy1nge · 02/11/2014 19:09

yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 02/11/2014 19:01

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SevenZarkSeven · 02/11/2014 19:01

I think I probably would have laughed etc at 15 as well.

As a grown-up I am really horrified. I can't believe that you kept the girls behind after class to ask them if it was OK for you to use the word SLUT to get the class to remember something about graphs.

This reminds me of that UKIP fella and his fridge cleaning remarks.

MyEmpireOfDirt · 02/11/2014 18:57

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AsAMan · 02/11/2014 18:56

IN what way was it anonymous? DId you not explain to the class you were wrong to do it? Or did you just ask if you thought it was offensive. DId it occur to you to tell the whole class it was wrong? Or are the boys to continue thinking SLUT is funny?

partialderivative · 02/11/2014 18:53

I do not teach in the UK, so Sunday is the first day of the week here.

I let the boys out a couple of minutes early before first break and asked the girls if they would give me some feedback on what I NOW feel was inappropriate.The girls were not forced to stay the extra 3 mins.

They had no problem doing this. I am not an ogre who gets his way by threats or aggression.

( I have conceded that I was wrong )

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Waltermittythesequel · 02/11/2014 18:49

I refuse to believe this is real because, if it is, I don't want to live on this planet anymore and there's nowhere else to go.

AsAMan · 02/11/2014 18:47

I have conceded that I was wrong ffs

Oh sorry if the misogynist slur and then further offensiveness you put the girls through for no apparent reason wasn't immediately ignored and you weren't given many cookies and pats on the back.

Year sorry about that.

for fucks sake indeed

KristinaM · 02/11/2014 18:43

Sorry x posted

KristinaM · 02/11/2014 18:43

I understand that you have conceded that you were wrong

But I and many other posters think that your asking the students was also inappropriate .

Why did you ask them if you knew it was wrong?

Would you have asked a group of black students if they found the word " nigger " offensive ?

FrauHelga · 02/11/2014 18:42

But, partial, you were totally wrong to keep those girls behind after class, to get them to collude with you in the use of the word slut. And you being the teacher, and in charge, and them being 15 means they will have colluded.

Nice one. Not.

MrSheen · 02/11/2014 18:42

And if you really kept a bunch of 15 year old girls behind in class on a Sunday to ask them if it was ok then you're an even bigger knob that you seemed from your first post

^^ this, also. That was a bit shitty, really. "Is it OK if I use derogatory words? Yes, I know I'm an adult male, and a teacher and you are a bunch of teenagers but I just want to point out that I keep saying SLUT, and make sure you all think I'm super edgy"

FFS.

It's rude

partialderivative · 02/11/2014 18:41

I have conceded that I was wrong

ffs

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MrSheen · 02/11/2014 18:39

When I was 15/16 I would have said I found it funny, because it's really hard to articulate feelings like that when you are constantly on the back foot. I wouldn't have wanted to be the humourless girl who couldn't take a joke. Then I would have dropped maths like a hot potato at the first opportunity.

partialderivative · 02/11/2014 18:37

I have conceded that I was wrong!

All I have added is how my class reacted.

(I have taught many many female students to pre-university level mathematics, I have never had anything other than positive feedback from past students or parentsO

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