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S.L.U.T (have I been wrong for so many years)

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partialderivative · 29/10/2014 18:46

I am a (male) maths teacher, and have been for many many years.

I am now worried about an acronym I use to help my students remember how to draw a certain type of diagram correctly.

It should comprise:

Scale: So that you can read the numbers

Label: So you know what is being measured

Units: On both axis

Title: Every diagram need a title to be complete.

Every year this has been greeted with hilarity by all my students, and I am sure it has helped many of them feel confident that they have covered all the points that will be marked. It is not something that they forget.

Of course, I make no reference to the 'meaning' of slut in other contexts, and I would challenge any student who took that opportunity

I think I know what the responses are going to be. But it just doesn't feel that outrageous in the classroom. Everyone laughs, and the lesson carries on.

(I haven't NC, so you can check if you think I have a history of sexism or misogyny.)

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SweepTheHalls · 03/11/2014 20:59

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vesuvia · 03/11/2014 20:52

Using SLUT as a memory aid for maths students is way too far from SUTL.

(Yes, I know that's not how you spell subtle Wink )

Cherriesandapples · 03/11/2014 18:23

Asaman Yes, back in the day it would have been perv. Think I got paedo from the Inbetweeners!

MsFanackerPants · 03/11/2014 17:41

I was a 15 yr old girl with the cool teacher who wanted to impress us. I was doing extra math tuition to try to get an A*.
During a session on balancing equations or some such our teacher made a comment about the graph looking like a breast. As the session went on he compared other graphs to perky or saggy boobs as he plotted them.
I can't remember anything else about the lesson except him saying "ooh, it's a perky one". I felt so awkward and remember feeling totally embarrassed. If you'd asked me I wouldn't have said anything because I was too embarrassed. It just felt weird and like the teacher was trying to be all laddish and matey with the boys. I was one of two girls in the room and I felt like a total outsider.
I dropped the sessions. Took the lower paper and got a B.

That's the effect everyday sexism or "banter" has. Might have made the boys remember graphs or like Mr T. It made me uncomfortable in a place where I was supposed to be learning and where the adult was supposed to be in loco parentis

noblegiraffe · 03/11/2014 12:45

Terms can be racist or misogynist or disablist and yet be used by people who are not racist or misogynist or disablist.
Old people who refer to 'coloured people' and have to be reminded it's not appropriate any more. People on MN who have been told why the word 'retard' is offensive and so don't use it any more. Kids who have to be told not to use the word gay as an insult.

The OP who has realised that the word 'slut' isn't simply an edgy word because it has sexual connotations and isn't going to use it any more, even in completely out of context situations.

AsAMan · 03/11/2014 09:23

So because you use the word slut to describe men, you assume that's what everyone else does? No, to the genral population it is a girl and one who chooses to have sex. God forbid.

You see a significance in the word slut which most people don't see
Who is most people? Sluts is one of the most commonly words on porn videos. It's used regularly by mra and PUs. It sounds to me like you don't actually know the word Confused

Noblegiraffe, I wouldn't have said pedo as a teen as that's not an Americanism but I'd 100% have called the teacher a perv after keeping us after class like that. OP is lucky though as a teenager I'd have reported him

MyEmpireOfDirt · 03/11/2014 09:06

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claraschu · 03/11/2014 08:53

Nigger was an acceptable word 75 years ago: context is everything. These days most people don't have the reaction to "slut" that people on this thread are having. You see a significance in the word slut which most people don't see. Words don't have inherent meaning; they have the meaning we give them.

In Holland, people use the word "cunt" casually on daytime TV or chatting together. It does not have the shock value that it has in the UK.

I occasionally use the word "slut" but only when referring to men or boys.

noblegiraffe · 03/11/2014 08:51

cherries the OP has accepted that he was wrong to use the word and has said that he won't be using it again. This should be seen as a good thing and progress in the feminist sphere. Paedophile, FFS, this on the weekend where the debate has been about why more people don't use the feminism section.

MyEmpireOfDirt · 03/11/2014 07:25

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FrauHelga · 03/11/2014 07:22

MyEmpire - I completely agree.

I'm just pointing out that there are two meanings, and it's abundantly clear what one the OP meant. With his schoolboy snigger snigger and the choice of LUST as his other anagram. Which he viewed as somehow more acceptable than SLUT.

Is it evil that I want to twist the mnemonic to make it KNOB somehow?

MyEmpireOfDirt · 03/11/2014 07:20

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FrauHelga · 03/11/2014 07:14

50-5 years ago the word slut meant a woman who was failing in her housewifely standards. A woman with a slow standard in terms of keeping house.

That's what my ex-MIL still thinks it means.

Now, which meaning do we think the OP was using it for?

MyEmpireOfDirt · 03/11/2014 07:06

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Cherriesandapples · 03/11/2014 07:06

It is all about the context though. Teenage Afro carribean boys might use the n word as a okay word between themselves but same boy may be offended if called a nigger by a white school teacher.
In this context a white male teacher is writing the word Slut on a blackboard in front of a mixed class of teenagers, apparently for laughs!

It is quite awful in this context

claraschu · 03/11/2014 06:25

Slut and nigger are not equally offensive. If you took a survey of the general population, nigger would be deemed deeply offensive by everyone, and slut would be somewhere in the middle. Lots of people consider it a mildly objectionable but amusing word which sounds great.

Hairylegs47 · 03/11/2014 05:52

Op are you teaching at an International school? Are you in an Arab country?

I can see why you thought it was a good way to aid their memories, BUT, you can now see how, erm, wrong you were. Remember, you are there to teach more than just maths.

I know the schools are different in the Middle East, most westerners go to International schools and the community can be quite small. There tends to be a kind of siege mentality - particularly if the locals aren't friendly - and staff, students and parents all socialise with each other and look out for each other. So things get 'relaxed'. This is one of those things that shouldn't. My very vocal 16 yrold DD might've pulled you up on that word if you were her teacher, but she would've been terrified doing so. She's 16, a kid, her mates matter and being 'mates' with the cool teacher matters too.

Cherriesandapples · 03/11/2014 04:50

Well, noblegiraffe maybe you were lucky enough to go through school without having teachers who were (to a 15 year olds mind) creepy and were subsequently prosecuted SmileSmile

noblegiraffe · 02/11/2014 22:44

Is the smiley face supposed to make that post come across as any less vile than it actually is?

Cherriesandapples · 02/11/2014 22:08

Thing is, those girls will have walked out of that room thinking you are an old letch! You are probably nicked named "paedo" now Smile

UsedtobeFeckless · 02/11/2014 21:37

Bugger. Major italic fail.

UsedtobeFeckless · 02/11/2014 21:35

^ What everyone else said ... Are you familiar with the term Cool Girl^? At 15 you want to be that person and you'll put up with insults and snide comments and pretend you think it's funny because the alternative - that your teacher is a sexist twat who despises you - is too uncomfortable to think about.

FrauHelga · 02/11/2014 21:34

What country and what culture are you teaching in, OP?

splishsplosh · 02/11/2014 21:32

I can't even understand how you ever thought this was OK in the first place - why has it taken many many years for you to question this?

AsAMan · 02/11/2014 20:46

I wonder if it's just slightly off for certain posters to be constantly calling the OP a knob, even though it appears to be, er, somewhat accurate.

I feel like we have to be as accurate as possible, whenever possible. I can't think of a more fitting word.