Woman receives rape threats after recording sexual harassment walking New York streets

happy what agenda is that?

Piglet by their own admission they edited out the harassment by white men. Also if you read the link I posted they show an example of a street harassment video which shows a wide range of perpetrators from different racial and economic backgrounds. Which to me paints a more realistic image of street harassment.

The reason I find the video problematic is that by excluding white men you are making it about race. Instead of examing misogyny and patriarchy in its entirety we are simply examining the behaviour of black men. In the long run this harmful to women because it narrows the scope of what is considered harrasment and who perpetrates that harassment.

if you look in the background, like PJ says, the racial mix is just that on the street at the time

I am wary of people who home in on race here. I suspect an agenda.

Piglet... it would seem that, from the film editor's own posts, there was as much harassment from white guys, but that this was drowned out/lost and that is why it appears to only come from black/Hispanic men. I agree with one commentator who said that, in that case, a second go would be in order.

it seems to me that the race of the harassers matches the racial mix of the people on the streets shown, so tells us nothing.

If she walking through a bunch of frat boys the racial mix would be different.

Because the conversation leaves out white men who also perpetrate street harassment, its makes the issue a race issues and it feeds into pre existing ideas about race for example the hyper sexuality of black men.

Its not ALL men but black men who are already seen as predatory. It ignores the universal nature of street harassment so the reaction is not examine men's behaviour but black peoples behaviour.

When I watched it my thought was that she was wearing practical plain clothing. Yes, it followed the shape of her body, which was healthy looking, like many men's bodies and clothing will be.

Some of the remarks seemed quite 'mild' compared to some I have heard.
But, like someone says upthread, the remarks are disingenuous - 'hey pretty, want to say hello?' could sound okay - ish, until you think about the intrusiveness of it. And then you get the aggression when she doesn't respond....

A lot of the remarks are just a comment on her body - like she is bloodstock / a prize cow / a breeding dog.

It is also the relentlessness of it - 10 hours of remarks, endless comments.

The guy walking alongside was very creepy too.

*'Men's Space' - wtaf???

If you could whack them, they wouldn't do it. Bet that drunk guy had enough sense of self preservation not to walk up to another guy and say "you look really rich" or "you look really smart" or whatever..

I think it's giving a skewed view of street harassment in terms of racial profile, certainly (and I think its a really good point to make), but it's still 100% men doing the harassing.

Anecdotally, every woman on this thread has recognised aspects of that video happening to them. Other threads about street harassment and public spaces are exactly the same. Everyday Sexism and Hollaback! are inundated with stories from women about this type of stuff.

So I'm not sure why you think it's detrimental to all women (genuine question - not trying to be antagonistic).

I almost didn't post that link because I dont want to derail the conversation. i am aware from the recent threads on trans activism how problematic it is to focus on one small part of a broader picture because it doesn't suit my narrative.

However I don't think I am doing that, this video gives a skewed idea of street harassment which I think in the long term is detrimental to all women.

I hate how some men just think they have the right to approach women and talk to them.

Not long ago, I was on my way into a shopping centre with my son, and some guy asked me the time. I didn't have it on me, so I apologised and tried to carry on. He started asking me personal questions, like my name and age, and questions about my baby. I told him 'look, there's a clock tower over there with the time on it' and he ignored me- he obviously didn't give a shit about the time, he was using it as a hook to talk to me. I started walking away from him, and he followed me (as in, walking next to me) for a good few minutes, much like one of the men in the video. I was desperately trying to spot a security guard to no avail, and eventually I just snapped and said 'Can you leave me alone please?'. He was like 'okay' and buggered off. Then I ended up feeling guilty somehow. I was so spooked- I have some anxiety problems.

I tried to comment on this yesterday but it didn't work.

I have shared this on Fb and Twitter and read various comments and fuck me it's so depressing that so many people, including women just don't get it. We are so conditioned to see this as acceptable when it bloody well is not!

Note the bit where the Fox news presenters say the street is those men's bar and she is walking through it ergo it's ok for them to comment... So basically the street, public space is MENS space... Arghh

I find that video extremely problematic, I wasn't sure how to explain my issues with it but luckily for me slate already has

" it can make it unclear as to whether any approach is completely off-limits, or whether it is sometimes acceptable"

That's because all people are different, yes? This board doesn't set societal rules unfortunately

There isn't going to be a rule that works for everyone. So if you want to be 100% certain of not inadvertently upsetting a woman, don't approach her on the street. If you want to be fairly certain of not upsetting her, approach her carefully, watch her body language, back off immediately if there is any vibe of discomfort. Put her reaction above your own interest.

Men can perfectly readily read body language in other situations (eg is now a good time to interrupt the boss? Make a judgement, pick your moment, leave it if it looks like a bad time, pull back quickly if you try but get a brusque response etc) - but most street harassment has NOTHING to do with thinking there might possibly be a mutual interest but getting it wrong and quickly withdrawing...

Good old Fox news I wonder if the point made a whooshing noise as it whizzed over his head

Some people take issue with that stance though, Yonic. Some people on this very discussion. And I know we are never going to all agree on everything, but it can make it unclear as to whether any approach is completely off-limits, or whether it is sometimes acceptable.

I do think that an approach including things like "I hope you don't mind me saying this..." Respectful distance, making it obvious through body language and verbal language that walking off will have no negative consequences, being aware of how the woman may be seeing it (eg doing it in daylight) is different to "nice-assery"

I think it would be the same in London but in a different accent. Would be interesting if they did it several world capitals to hammer home the point.

The idiot walking beside her was creepy, but in reality we would have slowed down, speeded up, stopped and looked in a shop window.

It was an unnatural situation, he must of been puzzled why she didn't react at all.